Did the they make the right call?

Bunkerkidz (Banned) · 10-24-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by geekwarrior81

huh? so you're saying one ref called him clean and another pulled his band?

Yeah that happened. That's what happens when you have bad referee placement and everyone wants a piece of the action. He should have been checked in the first place and either both of them being eliminated or, at least one of them being 1 for 1'd and the other called clean.

Either they could make the right call, which would be to assess BC with a 1 for 1 as he got shot before as he was jumping over the snake (But off course you'd have to be well placed and a very good ref to do this) or at least they would call BC clean (Wipe him down) and assess Joy with a 1 for 1 for Scandal shooting him.

Yet they decided to screw up completely. lol

geekwarrior81 · 10-24-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pntbll309

Yes watch the video and youll see a ton of refs around them, and that he WAS called clean.

your wrong. sorry. look at the pics here

http://www.blacklistphoto.com/photos.../index0020.htm

ref 28 is the ref that watched alex get bunkered. He runs over to were BC dives over te snake and pull BC first. Why? if he thought the joy player traded out with Alex, why did he pull BC out?

pntbll309 · 10-24-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by geekwarrior81

your wrong. sorry. look at the pics here

http://www.blacklistphoto.com/photos.../index0020.htm

ref 28 is the ref that watched alex get bunkered. He runs over to were BC dives over te snake and pull BC first. Why? if he thought the joy player traded out with Alex, why did he pull BC out?

Oh WOW a picture showing 1 ref, where is the picture facing the net, there were other refs around.The Joy player (Scandal was hit) shot BC which caused the 1for1.Thats why you see Alex still in telling the ref he shot Scandal.Like somebody said before if the game slowed down and the REFS had more time to make rational calls this wouldnt have happend.But as we all know in PB there is never enough time to think something over.And I must say that the videos from Youtube SUCK ARSE the sun screws everything up.

geekwarrior81 · 10-24-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pntbll309

Oh WOW a picture showing 1 ref, where is the picture facing the net, there were other refs around.The Joy player (Scandal was hit) shot BC which caused the 1for1.Thats why you see Alex still in telling the ref he shot Scandal.Like somebody said before if the game slowed down and the REFS had more time to make rational calls this wouldnt have happend.But as we all know in PB there is never enough time to think something over.And I must say that the videos from Youtube SUCK ARSE the sun screws everything up.

you're missing the point... ref 28 pulled BC first because he saw Scandall bunker Alex, and called Scandall clean after Alex played on after getting bunkered. If ref 28 would have thought that Alex got Scandall, than he wouldnt have pulled BC because he would have thought tht Scandall was out.

pntbll309 · 10-24-2006, 11:48 AM

Your missing the point.BC WAS CALLED CLEAN.Why would he be called clean if Scandal shot him?Well that is because Scandal was indeed shot and the ref for some reason pulled BC's band.When he should have pulled Scandals because he TRADED with Fraige.Bad reffing on that call yes, but the overshooting/playing on is what caused them to lose.

fatboyballa · 10-24-2006, 11:56 AM

Joy Division won but u can't just come around and shoot a dead play a billion times after the fact.

geekwarrior81 · 10-24-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pntbll309

Your missing the point.BC WAS CALLED CLEAN.Why would he be called clean if Scandal shot him?Well that is because Scandal was indeed shot and the ref for some reason pulled BC's band.When he should have pulled Scandals because he TRADED with Fraige.Bad reffing on that call yes, but the overshooting/playing on is what caused them to lose.

why was he called clean though? thats bad reffing to! the joy snake player wasnt out. BC was hit before going over the snake by the Joy back player, and than he traded out with the Joy snake player. The Joy snake player was hit by Alex AFTER he was show out (thats the real playing on), so the Joy player wasnt playing on. If he was than ref 28 would not have pulled BC.

geekwarrior81 · 10-24-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fatboyballa

Joy Division won but u can't just come around and shoot a dead play a billion times after the fact.

he didn't BC had alot of paint on him before the Joy player came around, and BC pointed his gun at the Joy player when he came around.

bastikk · 10-24-2006, 12:29 PM

THis is so lol how can he get a three4one penalty for shooting without the armband, and check this pic http://www.blacklistphoto.com/photos...6/IMG_6771.jpg , he has the armband on when the chaos is

pureevil-hugo · 10-24-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dark_angel_lcd

I would like to see most people here try to make a "fair" call on that one. I think the refs did what they saw best. Personally, I would have gone with Matty Marshall and declared a 1v1. That way nobody could argue. But I give the refs credit by listening to both sides before thier decision.

Listening to both sides. Take a look at the video WHEN did they listening to Joy? They only give Dynasty to give their version on what had happened. Joy was not allowed to go near the judge and the judges did not go to Joy and gave them the opportunity to state their version.

Well it looked like the judges and Dynasty was discussing the best call for Dynasty. And the head ref. I hope NPPL uses some brain....

Hugo
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geekwarrior81 · 10-24-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bastikk

THis is so lol how can he get a three4one penalty for shooting without the armband, and check this pic http://www.blacklistphoto.com/photos...6/IMG_6771.jpg , he has the armband on when the chaos is

if anything it should have been a one for one, and only if he was shot out by Alex. His armband wasnt pulled, and neither was BC's.

But watching the vid, looking at the pics, and talking to people who were there, Scandal got Alex first.

There are 2 points that can be up for debate.

1. Did Scandal get Alex first in the snake? if yes, Joy should have won, if no, than its a 1 for 1

2. Did BC get shot by the Joy back player before going over the snake? if yes, than that should have been a 1 for 1, giving Joy the win, if no, than it comes down to the first question.

Either way, Joy should have won or there should have been a 1 on 1. That malicious intent is BS

Underfunded · 10-24-2006, 01:04 PM

Why was there only 1 ref in that snake? The one ref, in that play, had to make 3 quick calls on who was in or out. I don't blame him for being confused. The camera angle is inconclusive on who was hit first.

The first question I purpose: Where is this "acknowledgement of a hit" by the JD player? The first player in the snake got to the snake cleanly. No ref was checking him out or chasing after him trying to get to his armband. Instead he was taking of fraige. At that point, Fraige remained on the field of play for atleast 9 seconds and interfered with the play. He stood over the JD player and BC.

Here is the sequence of pulling that I saw:
Fraige ~ the 8 minute mark of the youtube video
BC and JD first bunkerer- The camera isn't clear enough to see who got pulled when, but they were both appeared to be pulled out at the 8.05 mark. The first JD player could not be the one "playing on" because if he was, why wasn't the ref pulling him out first instead of fraige?
JD2- his armband is pulled by ref #28 at the 8.12 mark after he passes BC. Up until that point he appears to be clean. How could he have been hit before hand? Fraige had been pulled out already, and BC had been making the move into the snake as well.

the JD2 "overshoot"- If you look at the video, he comes around, has to go between the bunker and the interfering alex fraige to get to BC, who has not been clearly called out by the ref from his angle. The ref makes no signals of who is in and who is clean at this point of the video. If I was the second JD player at that time, I would have came around and shot BC too, because it is unclear if he is in or out. When he finally comes around the bunker past Fraige, BC raises his gun at him. Innocent enough, but if I was coming around to bunker you and you raised your gun at me, I'm shooting you more than once, that's paintball, that's accepted.

So where is the "acknowledgement of hit" and the "malicious overshooting"?

pntbll309 · 10-24-2006, 01:08 PM

Seban got hit in the knee as well.How or when? If only the video was better.Next time maybe they will put the camera right on the sun for some better angles and less glare.

Underfunded · 10-24-2006, 01:13 PM

Is seban the first bunkerer or second?

You have to remeber that this is the finals and you are kneeling on the field. There is going to be paint on the ground. Some of it may crush.

geekwarrior81 · 10-24-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pntbll309

Seban got hit in the knee as well.How or when? If only the video was better.Next time maybe they will put the camera right on the sun for some better angles and less glare.

BC shoots him after his band has been pulled. thats playing on. if a ref pulled his armband, another ref cant come up and say, hey buddy you're still in.

Justin6547 · 10-24-2006, 01:29 PM

WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK YOU SAW OR WHAT YOUR FRIEND SAW OR WHAT A PICTURE FROM THIS ANGLE OR THAT ANGLE LOOKS LIKE!!!! put on head phones and listed to the video VERY closely when they take it down to the feild you can hear them all *****ing about it... joy's snake player WAS OUT when BC jumped the snake thats what the refs on the feild are saying!!! listen to it and then close this thread

shockersnotcockers · 10-24-2006, 01:47 PM

wow the pics on page 4 cleared alot up

pureevil-hugo · 10-24-2006, 01:48 PM

http://www.blacklistphoto.com/photos.../index0020.htm

img6753 no armbands on any dynasty player when sebban arrived.

http://www.blacklistphoto.com/photos.../index0021.htm

img6754 both guns up. And the Dynastyplayer has his armband pulled already.

img6763 Sebban gets his armband pulled. This is not wath the judges said after. They said that Sebban shot after he got his armband pulled.

And wtf is Fraige doing there hi is out long time ago. He grabs Sebban as he runs past. Fysikal contakt with a live player after he is out?

btw there are som more interesting photos on that site.

Hugo
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geekwarrior81 · 10-24-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pureevil-hugo

img6754 both guns up. And the Dynastyplayer has his armband pulled already.

Hugo
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you forgot to metion(but eluded to it maybe) that BC shot after his armband was pulled. Once your band is pulled, a ref cant reverse that decision. BC should have been the one that got the penalty, he is the only one who shot after his armband was pulled.

furby37 · 10-24-2006, 02:00 PM

Makes up for the earlier overshooting Joy pulled in the snake against XSV, that they didn't get anything for.Or the ramping.Take your pick,there was a lot of cheating on sunday.

UglyDuckGizmo · 10-24-2006, 02:06 PM

the home video feel of that video made it actually pretty exciting. that and lasoya and marshall doing all the talking was also. that was awesome. a 1v1 would have been great i lol'd when i heard "this is craziness ladys and gentlemen! CRAZINESS!!!" that and the crowd chanting "bull****" was classic. havent heard that in a while