[239baller]

Originally Posted by jasper371

ok pal, grab a spyder and a co2 tank and begin the fun.

step one: aim spyder directly at ground

step two: dry fire a couple times

step three: notice the icy blast pouring out of your barrel

step four: once your done, look at all the seals in your gun, your probably going to have to replace alot of them


Now, think about what this will do for the mini
its just not a very good idea.

lol, pritty mutch what i was saying, but with a mini, your ROF can suck the Co@ liquid right out of the tank, so you dont need to aim the gun down. it will shoot the liquid though the seals in the noid, and all the other seals in the gun. and right now since it is a new gun, not many replacemnt seals are out there

[toolshed rec-face]

Originally Posted by Gecko

With enough precaution (remote line and Palmers Stabilizer) it should be able to function adequatly on co2.

QFT

[Pnuemagger]

Originally Posted by 239baller

in genral, high-end guns should not be used with Co2, whats the point? if your going to shell out 400+ for a gun, why not get a tank that will
1. get more shots
2. be lighter
3. be more consistent

a) Cyrus has no access to fill a HPA Tank nor a scuba bulk cylinder

b) Co2 (per cubic inch) gets more shots than HPA. Take a 68/4500 and swap out the reg for a pin valve. You will get WAY MORE shots per tank.

c) Lighter is a relative term. Given a CO2 tank versus an HPA tank of equal efficiency: the HPA will be both larger and thicker walled (for holding pressures 3 times that of co2)... meaning the HPA system is much heavier than a similarly comparable CO2 system.
This is somewhat analogous to using a 68/4500 versus a 110/3000 HPA; same efficiency per fill, but the 68/4500 is lighter.

You're dumb

[239baller]

any wayy, i was meaning a filled 20 oz Co2 bottel, vs a normal 68/45 tank

[Krik-It]

Originally Posted by JoshGrrrr

Don't old school shockers use poppit valves? I used co2 on one of those for years.

yea that was my whole point


the bottom 1/2 uses a poppet to control the burst of air.


i dont see a reason why it wouldnt work with co2 so long as u didnt rip on the trigger and you made sure you anti siphoned it.

[239baller]

if you cant rip on the trigger, why have a fast gun?

[cyrus-the-virus90]

Originally Posted by 239baller

any wayy, i was meaning a filled 20 oz Co2 bottel, vs a normal 68/45 tank

They weight about the same.

even a myth reg on a CP tank would weight about the same as a SP smartvalve 20oz CO2 tank.

[Drox]

Originally Posted by cyrus-the-virus90

They weight about the same.

even a myth reg on a CP tank would weight about the same as a SP smartvalve 20oz CO2 tank.

Eh I think you're pushing it there.

[cyrus-the-virus90]

Originally Posted by Drox

Eh I think you're pushing it there.

It's about the same.

[239baller]

Originally Posted by cyrus-the-virus90

They weight about the same.

even a myth reg on a CP tank would weight about the same as a SP smartvalve 20oz CO2 tank.

ok, are you saying with the Co2 tank filled or not filled, cuz the Co2 tanks empty
are pritty light, its just when you fill them with liquid it gets way hevyer

[Pnuemagger]

Originally Posted by 239baller

any wayy, i was meaning a filled 20 oz Co2 bottel, vs a normal 68/45 tank

That's an unfair comparison. A 68/4500 bottle is about 33% heavier than a 20oz. Usually when something's compared, there is a constant held true etween the two. Say weight, or size.

size and weight:
A more appropriate comparison would be say an average 45/45 bottle versus the aerage 20oz bottle (both weighing in about .9 kilos). Also, both having nearly identical diameter and the 20 being maybe only 1 cm shorter makes the size nearly spot on as well as the weight.

In the end, a 20 oz can rack up nearly 1200 shots on a typical well tuned blowback. I'd love to see the 45/45 break 850 shots from that same blowback - cause that'd be impressive alone.

The fact is, given comparable matchups, CO2 will always be more efficient because it there is a lot of energy change happening with a phase change from liquid to gas.

So yeah, other then temp/pressure inconsistencies... CO2 isn't a bad thing at all.

[Pnuemagger]

Originally Posted by 239baller

ok, are you saying with the Co2 tank filled or not filled, cuz the Co2 tanks empty
are pritty light, its just when you fill them with liquid it gets way hevyer

Oh, and air tanks don't get heavier when filled?

68 cu tank has 0.001114 cubic meters of volume. Air at sea level (14psi) has a density 1.2 kg/m3. Thus an empty 68cu tank has 1.3 grams of air in it. A tank filled to 4500 psi has about 431 grams of air within it.

Guess what duechbag... that's almost 1 pound heavier (.95lbs actually).

So please, take your flawed arguments and lemming mentality and get off CO@'s lawn.

k thnx bye

[239baller]

not saying HPA, im talking Co2, you are pritty smart my friend.

[Pnuemagger]

Originally Posted by 239baller

not saying HPA, im talking Co2, you are pritty smart my friend.

You made the comment that adding co2 to a tank makes it heavier, like thats a strike towards co2 tanks versus the mentioned HPA system (see below). Entirely neglecting the fact that an HPA does the exact same thing with nearly identical weight gain. So if you in actually were somehow suggesting to compare a filled Co2 tank to an empty HPA tank, then you are pritty smart my friend.

[239baller]

my experiance leads me to Co2 tanks being about 2-3 lbs hevyer then when empty, and HPA tanks not so mutch, next time i go to work, ill see what the real diff is on a scale.

[Gleely]

that must mean you are weak or thats one strange tank, seriously co2 is lighter, and it doesnt damage the seals, sure its harsher but not to the degree you are saying. it just messes up the noid badly because of the liquid, and im pretty sure all of you know this simple equation

liquid+electronics=very very bad

and its not 2-3 pounds heavier filled unless its one bigass tank

[mossdabomb]

simply put, a mini can run on co2.

[Gleely]

but i think it voids the warranty, and thats never a good thing

[239baller]

Originally Posted by mossdabomb

simply put, a mini can run on co2.

if you shoot at 3 bps, not trying to flame, just make a point

[Pnuemagger]

Originally Posted by 239baller

my experiance leads me to Co2 tanks being about ? 2-3 lbs hevyer ? then when empty, and HPA tanks not so mutch, next time i go to work, ill see what the real diff is on a scale.

The 2.34 pound CP 68/4500 bottle...
Well I already listed the #'s for the approximate weight change of a full 68cu.in. 4500psi bottle at room temp being around 431 grams (.95 pounds).

The 1.3 pound Catalina 16oz co2 tank...
An important thing to note here is that most CO2 tanks are rated in aquatic volumetric capacity, ounces. Not the mass type of ounces. That being said, a 16 ounce co2 tank has 473 milliliters of volume. Liquid Co2's density is about 1.032 grams per milliliter. This means that a full CO2 tank weighs in about 488 grams (1.075 pounds).

The difference in change between the two bottles once filled is .95 pounds for the HPA tank and 1.075 pounds for the CO2 tank. That's a relative filled difference of 1 ounce. So your experience tells you a full CO2 tank is 2-3 pounds heavier huh? How long you been ballin'?

/For ****s and giggles should I show you how much heavier a $75 bottle regulator is than a $15 CO2 pin valve?
//or are you done yet?

[239baller]

Originally Posted by Pnuemagger

The 2.34 pound CP 68/4500 bottle...
Well I already listed the #'s for the approximate weight change of a full 68cu.in. 4500psi bottle at room temp being around 431 grams (.95 pounds).

The 1.3 pound Catalina 16oz co2 tank...
An important thing to note here is that most CO2 tanks are rated in aquatic volumetric capacity, ounces. Not the mass type of ounces. That being said, a 16 ounce co2 tank has 473 milliliters of volume. Liquid Co2's density is about 1.032 grams per milliliter. This means that a full CO2 tank weighs in about 488 grams (1.075 pounds).

The difference in change between the two bottles once filled is .95 pounds for the HPA tank and 1.075 pounds for the CO2 tank. That's a relative filled difference of 1 ounce. So your experience tells you a full CO2 tank is 2-3 pounds heavier huh? How long you been ballin'?

/For ****s and giggles should I show you how much heavier a $75 bottle regulator is than a $15 CO2 pin valve?
//or are you done yet?

a few years now. and i might have ment grams, jesus, sorry i messup between metric and standerd.