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04-08-2013, 11:24 AM
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#1786
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Ohio
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people in silver are retarded
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04-08-2013, 11:34 AM
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#1787
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Go find the day[9] video where he explains that ratings (in SC, and LoL as well) are not measures of skill. They are measures of progression.
I don't have time to find it now but this looks like it might be similar. Not his video though.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/view...opic_id=395042
Last edited by Bob, the DJ : 04-08-2013 at 11:38 AM.
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04-08-2013, 12:01 PM
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#1788
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I'm a...
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ohio six one four
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I've seen the video before Bob and I agree but the fact is I can't make progress because Silver people are retarded. I carry 50% of the time at Silver II and the other games I lose just because of one of my lanes getting utterly **** stomped (90% of the time it's bot). It's rarer for lanes to turn into **** stomps at Gold.
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04-08-2013, 12:15 PM
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#1789
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I'm A Hypocrite
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: 817
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My last 2 games I went 8-3 & 13-3 no deaths until they pushed into our nexus turrets, I don't see how I can carry these teams.
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04-08-2013, 12:24 PM
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#1790
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dualimpact
My last 2 games I went 8-3 & 13-3 no deaths until they pushed into our nexus turrets, I don't see how I can carry these teams.
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K/d doesn't win games, so maybe you should help your lanes that are losing.
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04-08-2013, 12:28 PM
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#1791
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I'm A Hypocrite
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: 817
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I was but I can't be everywhere, I even tell the jungler don't come to my lane go camp bot/whoevers behind.
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04-08-2013, 01:00 PM
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#1792
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some games just can't be won
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04-08-2013, 01:16 PM
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#1793
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I'm a...
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ohio six one four
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dualimpact
I was but I can't be everywhere, I even tell the jungler don't come to my lane go camp bot/whoevers behind.
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Junglers should not help lanes that are drastically behind.
I'm aware that not all games can be one but when I am losing 50% of my games due to retards during laning phase it isn't my fault at all. And like I said, I won a large majority of my games at Gold (like 75%) but I can't do the same at Silver proves that it's because of teammates.
Last edited by PBloler : 04-08-2013 at 01:40 PM.
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04-08-2013, 01:27 PM
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#1794
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I <3 dick
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Ohio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PBloler
Junglers should not help lanes that are drastically behind.
I'm aware that not all games can be one but when I am losing 50% of my games due to retards during laning phase it isn't my fault at all. And like I said, I won a large majority of my games at Gold (like 75%) but I can' do the same a Silver proves that it's because of teammates.
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You're not Iron Man nor are you Tony Stark.
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04-08-2013, 02:08 PM
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#1795
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I'm A Hypocrite
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: 817
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I don't agree that junglers shouldn't help failed lanes, if 1 or 2 players have all the items and they aren't the carry you're ****ed, like the games I referenced when I was focused my team was dead since I was the only one with items/lvl advantage.
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04-08-2013, 02:29 PM
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#1796
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Ohio
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If a lane is getting completely stomped, and you try to gank it, you just risk of giving the enemy a double kill, especially top, one the snowball starts, its hard to stop.
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04-08-2013, 02:41 PM
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#1797
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Philadelphia
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You guys will only advance when you realize that you lose because of you, and no one else.
After a loss, think "If Voyboy played my lane, would he have carried?" I can promise you that the answer is yes 99.99% of the time.
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04-08-2013, 03:18 PM
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#1798
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PBloler
Can someone explain to me why I've been stuck at Silver II for weeks yet I went from Gold IV to Gold III in one weekend on my brother's smurf account?
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Player consistency is awful. You don't see people either pubstomp or get smashed much outside of silver/bronze. It seems like that's the only difference in play between silver and gold.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Impy912
If a lane is getting completely stomped, and you try to gank it, you just risk of giving the enemy a double kill, especially top, one the snowball starts, its hard to stop.
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For sure, there's a point of no return for lanes at which you just need to let your teammate chill at tower or rush homegaurds and try and push and back.
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04-08-2013, 03:33 PM
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#1799
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Ohio
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people just dont understand how to sit at tower when you are behind. Dont worry about last hitting and just keep up in exp. All people every do it constantly go up and die. And god forbid top laners actually buy wards
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04-08-2013, 04:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pballler2269
You guys will only advance when you realize that you lose because of you, and no one else.
After a loss, think "If Voyboy played my lane, would he have carried?" I can promise you that the answer is yes 99.99% of the time.
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Not true. There are games that just can't be won. If you play support and your adc doesn't know how to farm at all, you can't win that lane for him. If you jungle and every lane feeds, there isn't much you can do. And pro jungler streamers admit this all the time. Similarly, if you play top lane and mid and bot feed, you're going to lose that game too.
I'm not saying people have no control over their rating, that's not true, but there will always be some unwinnable games.
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Originally Posted by azhector
Player consistency is awful. You don't see people either pubstomp or get smashed much outside of silver/bronze. It seems like that's the only difference in play between silver and gold.
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My consistency out of mid lane is admittedly awful. If I get mid I can go even or win my lane when playing against platinum rated players. If I have to ADC against a gold or even a silver there's a good chance I'll lose the lane.
But what you said isn't true. Stomps happen all the time at diamond, it's just much more common at bronze.
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04-08-2013, 04:17 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Philadelphia
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All that i'm saying is that if you ****stomp your lane (which everyone seems to do yet you all remain Silver), you need to roam to help other lanes. For example, if you are dominating top, don't take tower right away. Freeze the lane, buy a ward, roam to mid lane, ward their river, and get a kill here or there. Since you all **** stomp so much, you shouldn't have issues doing that.
For junglers, don't gank lanes that are a loss; ward them.
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04-08-2013, 04:24 PM
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I didn't claim to **** stomp all the time or disagree with what you are saying about helping other lanes. In fact that's exactly what I said a few posts ago.
But I did say that some games will be unwinnable, no matter what you do.
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04-08-2013, 06:18 PM
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#1803
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob, the DJ
My consistency out of mid lane is admittedly awful. If I get mid I can go even or win my lane when playing against platinum rated players. If I have to ADC against a gold or even a silver there's a good chance I'll lose the lane.
But what you said isn't true. Stomps happen all the time at diamond, it's just much more common at bronze.
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And thats the problem in soloq games, if you're only consistently good in 1 lane, chances are so are 2 other people and you're fighting to probably win lane vs 2 decents and hope the other team also improvised. I can't even say I'm always consistent mid/adc although I feel like the biggest difference as I've been grinding up is I normally hold my own or win lane, normally not a pubstomp either way without jungle camps or in bot lane where there is 3 variables and not 1. Even in some games I notice I mess up a bit, it's just nothing major immediately. Instea it's the difference of say trist jump flash ulting for a kill and messing up spell orders and just making them back or waste an ulti. Or same in a defensive version and I waste a flash or barrier and have to play back for a few minutes.
When i said stomps I meant its happening every game to the same players. I duoq'd with a random guy and I noticed he did really well late game but then next game just didn't play as well even though we were winning a bit. Of course stomps are going to happen, it can even happen at the pro level. It's the fact that unless you're specifically focused on winning lane vs opponent going all late game, it's not all that likely to happen at that level.
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04-08-2013, 09:52 PM
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#1804
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I'm a...
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ohio six one four
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pballler2269
You guys will only advance when you realize that you lose because of you, and no one else.
After a loss, think "If Voyboy played my lane, would he have carried?" I can promise you that the answer is yes 99.99% of the time.
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The thing is I don't claim to be at pro, diamond, or even plat level. I claim to be at a gold level as I can win a majority of my games on a gold III account. Now what I'm saying is it is extremely difficult for a gold III level player to carry out of silver I or II if they don't play adc.
I never claimed to **** stomp my lane every game. I don't say **** like "win lane lose game **** my nob feeders raportt pl0x". I'm saying I do **** stomp my lane about 50% of the time in Silver II and I win those games no problem by roaming and taking objectives. The problem is the other 50% of games where I win lane by a small margin or go even in which case I cannot carry my bot lane which is already 0/6 while I'm 1/0 top at the ten minute mark.
In the end the reason I lose is because of me 100% of the time, this is true. Playing against higher level players in high gold/plat would help me improve more than anything but I can't do that while stuck at silver.
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04-08-2013, 10:05 PM
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#1805
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Roseville, CA
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how do i hold all these pentakills
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04-09-2013, 05:47 AM
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#1806
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I'm a...
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Ohio six one four
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You'll probably get more if you go BT first on Draven.
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