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07-27-2009, 10:28 AM
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Don't worry, Be pwnage
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: LI Ny
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Originally Posted by Castro #66
Considering things from what might be Gruntbull's perspective at this point might be wisest. The fact that they would make you wait again suggests to me that they DO, in fact, have customers in mind. You just don't happen to be the number one priority. Again, the fact that they offered to redo it for free at all is something you really shouldn't take for granted.
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I am not going to argue with you because you litterally make no sense. If you screw up somones order you make fixing that a top priority. Seeing that an anno only takes a few hours to a day tops, means that they jsut let my **** sit there for 2 months. I really feel bad for you for the way you think things should work. Anyone who has had a botched job or had their anno done terribly and they send it out anyway deserves to have their gun made to a top priority, not just me. They told me the wait time would be the same cause they thought they could just take advantage of me and think I woudlnt notice I was being screwed by them. But I am not going to argue with you after this because you litterally make no sense. All your doing is just making yourself look dumb infront of everyone else that sees this thread. so ill just put you on ignore.
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07-27-2009, 10:44 AM
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#44
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The EM1 Collector
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Manhattan, NY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Castro #66
Considering things from what might be Gruntbull's perspective at this point might be wisest. The fact that they would make you wait again suggests to me that they DO, in fact, have customers in mind. You just don't happen to be the number one priority. Again, the fact that they offered to redo it for free at all is something you really shouldn't take for granted.
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No, it suggests that they are concerned with their customers only to some extent - probably because, like EVERY other successful paintball modification company, they got in way over their heads and can't handle everything they now need to finish. Reminds me of Punisher... yes I am assuming here, but it seems that these companies often get a taste of success and like it, take on too much work, then botch everything because they're way stressed. Based on their turnaround time of 2 months (from what they told him) I'd say they're overbooked.
They should give him top priority especially knowing that he is spreading his story and losing them future customers. It's just the right thing to so, no way to argue that. But making time for him would mean pushing others' orders back or half-assing those as well. So what's the solution? Don't bite off more than you can chew.
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07-27-2009, 04:50 PM
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What's stopping you from sending it in a month or so instead of right away? What is the difference between your idea of acid wash and Gruntbull's but a matter of opinion? What EXACTLY makes your situation so much more important that they should drop everything just to keep from rubbing you the wrong way? These are the questions in a business owners' mind, particularly if they're swamped. It wouldn't be a matter of "more than they can chew" so much as being interested in helping as many ridiculous teenage paintballers as possible. Getting crapped on publicly like this isn't going to make them any more likely to want to help you, especially when they already did your job... but you just didn't like it.
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07-27-2009, 05:41 PM
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Don't worry, Be pwnage
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: LI Ny
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Lol sorry my friend I put you on ignore because you don't understand how screwing customers over is wrong. So continue to post, I cant even see what your saying lol
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07-27-2009, 07:23 PM
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The EM1 Collector
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Manhattan, NY
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Originally Posted by Castro #66
What's stopping you from sending it in a month or so instead of right away? What is the difference between your idea of acid wash and Gruntbull's but a matter of opinion? What EXACTLY makes your situation so much more important that they should drop everything just to keep from rubbing you the wrong way? These are the questions in a business owners' mind, particularly if they're swamped. It wouldn't be a matter of "more than they can chew" so much as being interested in helping as many ridiculous teenage paintballers as possible. Getting crapped on publicly like this isn't going to make them any more likely to want to help you, especially when they already did your job... but you just didn't like it.
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Normally I'd agree with you but... c'mon, it looks like crap. We all know what a blue/black acid wash should look like, and he even referenced a pic where the blue is much more visible. So unless that's just a terrible pic, then he has a right to be upset with it.
This is different than "NO tat is not teh shade of greeen that i askd 4, redo nao." Being busy really isn't an excuse IMO, like I said, companies have a responsibility to make sure that they only take on jobs they can handle. I guess they didn't expect to have to do a second job to make up for the first one, but you need to allow yourself some room just in case...
Personally I'd never wanna be in the anno business. I don't know how tough times are on the companies end, but still, the customer's end should be more in concern.
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07-27-2009, 07:55 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: East Liverpool
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that sucks...friend of mine had a species messed up by an annoer...
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07-27-2009, 09:12 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: England
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Originally Posted by tipp98chopshop
Lol sorry my friend I put you on ignore because you don't understand how screwing customers over is wrong. So continue to post, I cant even see what your saying lol
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Maybe this is your problem.
Stop being immature.
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07-27-2009, 09:22 PM
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Sa da tay
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The Lodge
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Originally Posted by exit
Maybe this is your problem.
Stop being immature.
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07-27-2009, 09:44 PM
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Matt #4
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Land of Oz
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Originally Posted by tipp98chopshop
Lol sorry my friend I put you on ignore because you don't understand how screwing customers over is wrong. So continue to post, I cant even see what your saying lol
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i am sorry man but i think that castro is alot smarter than u r giving him credit for, and like he said the anno is kinda a subjective thing, i would not consider an anno that u dont like screwing you over, and also u shouldnt publicly try to destroy them for the job that they did, looks fine and blue in the pics that u posted
go ahead ignore list me i dont really care
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07-27-2009, 09:51 PM
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they should not have wanted two more MONTHS to fix it, period.
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07-27-2009, 10:11 PM
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Joyness, I Has It, Again
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Wow what happened. I left paintballing less than two months ago and Gruntbull was the #1 most recommended anodizer here.
Anyway, if that is exactly what you ask for and you gave him that picture, and he told you he could do it that way then yes they should re-do your gun. But I dont think you can make him work any faster. I know if it takes him 2 months to finish the process then that is bad and they should pick that up, but if thats how long it takes them then thats how ling it takes them. You cant make them speed up because you want them too, thats just the time it takes. Now if Gruntbull is slacking off and not doing what they should then it is their responsibilty to pick it up.
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07-27-2009, 10:33 PM
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Don't worry, Be pwnage
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: LI Ny
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As stated before annodizing only takes meir hours so they are just making me wait that long cause they like the money and since they already had it they have no rush to actually get me my product. And to all that said I overeacted, Go pay somone 120$ to do a service, have them screw it up and expect to to wait another 2 months to fix that problem on their own time... Its the biggest insult possible. I was perfectly cool with them until they started givin me that bull. Any of you that say thats right is a hypocrite or you would just bend over and let them take advantage of your ignorance. easy as that.
And to the guy that posted the cool sandpeople picture which I am not being sarcastic is actually cool, the job looks terrible in person and the picture makes it look even better. If you saw what a real black blue acid wash looks like youd see how they screwed it up. I was not even angry with them at that point. I was angry when they said they were going to put me on the bottom of the waiting list to fix their mistake. I posted a picture of a gun THEY did that is what I asked them to try to make it look like. It is nowhere near what it looked like and Ive had multiple ANNODIZERS even agree with me that it was a botched job. They even said WHY it happend. they were carless and put it in acid that was the temperature was to hot and it made all the colors darker than they should meaning the blue is almost black.
And as long as they decide to halfass customers jobs and be dicks about it when you ask them to make it right I will continue to do what you say is me "publicly destroying them". I am not, they simply are. Look around I am not the only guy thats had trouble with them recently. I am not the lone A-hole. If I was the only person thats had problems with them recently and I was looking from somone elses perspective I would think i was an ******* too, but since I see they have halfassed at least 3 jobs ive seen I would start to think "hey, maybe this ******* may be right"
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07-27-2009, 10:49 PM
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Don't worry, Be pwnage
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: LI Ny
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This is a black/blue acid wash
so is this
and this
Not gunna lie I doubt every person here had perfect studio lighting when they tool their vids and I still can tell exactly where there is blue and where there is black..
Here is another example. This is a picture of my promster from like 3 years ago on my patio... even LESS sunlight than in the pic where my shadow is over the gun... and I dont have any trouble seeing where the black turns to blue on that barrel.
ONe sec I am getting even more examples if thats not good enough for you
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07-27-2009, 11:02 PM
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Matt #4
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Land of Oz
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i am sorry but ur photos need to be taken in better light, they do a crap job of showin or not showin the actual anno
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07-27-2009, 11:07 PM
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Don't worry, Be pwnage
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: LI Ny
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THe one pic is in fine sunlight. And, not every acid wash was taken under flood lights in a studio and ive never been like.. is it acid wash? so nah its just fine. People can just choose to think that I somehow tampered with the photo to make it look bad rofl. Cause I am totally trying to get my money back. At this point I am litterally only doing this so people can see what GBA did, I dont want my $ back at this point, and I odnt want my gun redone no matter how long its gunna take. I am litterally warding people off from them so they dont get screwed over like other people and myself have recently.
But hey if you want to beleive I am lieing I can force you to beleive me, but if and when Gruntbull screws your job up and tries to make you wait 2 or more months to fix a job that should only take hours you may start to see why I am upset.
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07-27-2009, 11:36 PM
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Matt #4
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Land of Oz
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sure the first one was in the light, but the angle you took ur picture at is ****in with the actual colors, there is no reason to bash the company in ur sig as well, thats just bull****
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07-27-2009, 11:39 PM
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Don't worry, Be pwnage
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: LI Ny
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Originally Posted by matt00iconoclast
sure the first one was in the light, but the angle you took ur picture at is ****in with the actual colors, there is no reason to bash the company in ur sig as well, thats just bull****
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Nah its no worse than the way they treated me. that same things in my sig on ******, customcockers, mcarterbrown, and automag owners. I even have a vid on youtube about this that has over 1000 views in like 2 or 3 days.
And I have friends on those sites that have had work done by GBA and they all vowed to never do bussiness with them again, as well as they ahve friends who have done bussiness with them and I was told they said they will never do bussiness with GBA again after seeing the way I was treated. Not to meniton its payment enough that they are losing so much more than the 120$ they could have just given me back for ruining my guns anno.
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07-28-2009, 12:06 AM
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Matt #4
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Land of Oz
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k even still one bad experience doesn't justify a smear campaign
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07-28-2009, 12:13 AM
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Don't worry, Be pwnage
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: LI Ny
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Originally Posted by matt00iconoclast
k even still one bad experience doesn't justify a smear campaign
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Look around I am not the only one. But I hope to be the last. They are merely getting what they asked for when they said they wouldn't fix the mistake in a time conveinient to me after wasting 2 months of mine. And then basically laughing/spitting in my face when I told them making me wait 2 months was wrong still in a polite manner. I am not going to just stop being pissed about being treated badly and shut my mouth about the matter. If anything I am just going to try to get more people aware of this. I woudlnt be doing this if they didn't bring it to this, seeing that ive been on pbnationf or like 3+ yeras and never did anything close to this. Not like I do this every time I have had a bad experience.
not to mention every time you post in here all your doing is keeping my thread at the top which is helping me, just bringing that to your atention, so thank you for helping me spread awareness of the lowering CS from Gruntbull.
Ok well I am off to bed,(just saying so you dont keep checking for a response from me if you post.,Cause this basically has turned into a chat room about the subject lol) Gn all.
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07-28-2009, 01:34 AM
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projectile bacon?!
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: North Carolina
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honestly, you did get a blue and black acid wash, i agree its not EXACTLY what you wanted. but ano'ing something isnt an exact science either. i dont see any reason for you to bash on GBA over it. you did get blue and black acid wash. i agree they could have handled it better, but if they offered to fix it, i dont think you have the right at all to flip out and talk **** about them. thats just how i perceive things.
i believe castro has a lot of valid points, and you seem like the type every company hates, 'the customer that cant be pleased'.
and the friend with the metal shop, im willing to bet they've never once needed a 'acidwash' with 2 colors.
ive worked in shops, and usually everything is either clear or black.
if i ever worked at an ano shop, i would NEVER accept paintball work, people are too picky. anything needing ano in the manufacturing world is easy, if you screw up a part, its not a big deal, they send you another and you continue on. whereas people in paintball, they just ***** and gripe about every little detail.
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07-28-2009, 02:00 AM
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Resident Jew
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NoHo, MA
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Originally Posted by RabidHobo
honestly, you did get a blue and black acid wash, i agree its not EXACTLY what you wanted. but ano'ing something isnt an exact science either. i dont see any reason for you to bash on GBA over it. you did get blue and black acid wash. i agree they could have handled it better, but if they offered to fix it, i dont think you have the right at all to flip out and talk **** about them. thats just how i perceive things.
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They should have just said they'd have taken care of it as soon as possible and not given him a time period at all. It seems that when a lot of these anodizing companies get busy, their guestimated time frame to complete work goes out the window. Also, who knows how much time of these people's days actually go towards anodizing. For all we know they get to some work some days, lots of work some days, and no work other days. If that's the case and they take back a botched job at "top priority" and put everyone else aside, other customers who were provided with a quoted time frame for their work are going to complain as well if theirs get delayed.
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if i ever worked at an ano shop, i would NEVER accept paintball work, people are too picky. anything needing ano in the manufacturing world is easy, if you screw up a part, its not a big deal, they send you another and you continue on. whereas people in paintball, they just ***** and gripe about every little detail.
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I would say it's less about people being picky, and more about the average age of your paintballer requesting an ano.
Also, to the OP, please post clearer pictures. I agree they are relatively poor quality photographs.
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