[DirttyDawg]

well no guarentees yet, but i'll keep ya posted !

[zoo520]

Originally Posted by ionball3r73

what is this blasphemy
tucson paintball is booming

slowly, but surely.

[MaxOC]

Originally Posted by zoo520

slowly, but surely.

yup.

we should have our first 4.5k fill station here in a few weeks or less.

[Flashbak]

Originally Posted by 300zxracing91

what lies? It is as simple as supply and demand. There is not a big demand for paintball in Tucson so there are no fields.

There is also the fact that there is no supply. See supply and demand can go both ways, if there is a demand the supply will increase. And if there is supply the demand will increase.

In simple terms, if ryan makes an awesome field and brings in more supply the demand should increase. Especially when tourneys and leagues start up. One thing that would help out would be to advertise on television or radio. But that cost big bux that i think ryan doesnt have.

[Kevin the Scot]

I know it won't help much now, but 20 years ago, paintball was getting started and was HUGE in Tucson. We used to field 50 people on weekends out in the desert NE of town.
I heard that Paintball Headquarters had sold...They used to be a big part of organizing games.
Isn't there a field in Casa Grande?

[Bucktoothbeaver]

Ya the fields kinda suck. I mean i play at desert fox but thats only because its closer then sudden umpact....
Desert fox usually has a huge crowd but most are renters. The regulars there are actually pretty good especially when they are all put on the same team...
But thats about it. Every field seems to suck now after playing at Vlocity in California

[seventy72deuce]

Sudden Impact is a decent field, I am looking forward to the airball field. I do believe a good indoor field would take make plenty of money in Tucson.

[DbAl]

It probably could but it is way too big of an investment for anyone to try it in a place with such a limited client base.

[MaxOC]

ive been thinking about it for a while.

its big $$.

with the current prices on land, were taking a loan from teh grandparents to get a loan for about 1.5 million. its some massive amount of land. but i think it came out to 50$ an acre. that or 500.... point is its a great deal. ijust dont remember the numbers.

its in development land though. the price is supposed to sky rocket within the next 2-3 years to up to 10x the price.

just like how prices for land are in cali now.


with said bank made, were planning on opening up another gymnastics gym, possibly new indoor paintball arena, and somethiing else

[seventy72deuce]

That would be dope, id show up every day. Im afraid that sudden impact might have problems with all the new housing development happening out there.

[MaxOC]

Originally Posted by seventy72deuce

That would be dope, id show up every day. Im afraid that sudden impact might have problems with all the new housing development happening out there.

you mean the mall?

[BunkrdByAGirl420]

Originally Posted by ionball3r73

ive been on a team that plays at 23 for over a year and have played out of state

Lawl.... and look at your name you must be pretty pro

[DbAl]

Originally Posted by seventy72deuce

That would be dope, id show up every day. Im afraid that sudden impact might have problems with all the new housing development happening out there.

Is anything around it even zoned for housing? I though that it was surrounded by dump/mine in all directions.

[MaxOC]

Originally Posted by DbAl

Is anything around it even zoned for housing? I though that it was surrounded by dump/mine in all directions.

no, the section thats now under construstion(the crop area) is supposed to be some bigass mall. and i think theres supposed to be houses somewhere in there.

the sound dies out before you even hit the street, so unless youre like right next to one of the fields i think we'll be fine.

although we might need enclosed netting, top to bottom and roofed netting on the fields. to prevent that spare shot that goes over to the mall, lands on the ground, trips some old lady, and causes us to get sued.

[fourmystrat]

Originally Posted by MaxOC

no, the section thats now under construstion(the crop area) is supposed to be some bigass mall. and i think theres supposed to be houses somewhere in there.

the sound dies out before you even hit the street, so unless youre like right next to one of the fields i think we'll be fine.

although we might need enclosed netting, top to bottom and roofed netting on the fields. to prevent that spare shot that goes over to the mall, lands on the ground, trips some old lady, and causes us to get sued.

that would be bad

[MaxPower1272]

Originally Posted by MaxOC

ive been thinking about it for a while.

its big $$.

with the current prices on land, were taking a loan from teh grandparents to get a loan for about 1.5 million. its some massive amount of land. but i think it came out to 50$ an acre. that or 500.... point is its a great deal. ijust dont remember the numbers.

its in development land though. the price is supposed to sky rocket within the next 2-3 years to up to 10x the price.

just like how prices for land are in cali now.


with said bank made, were planning on opening up another gymnastics gym, possibly new indoor paintball arena, and somethiing else

$50 an acre?????

Try like $50,000 an acre. And paying the insurance on a field is the more expensive part. You'd have to open up a shop to really compete. Your shop would have to be local. To build a new shop would take alot of effort. I work for an Architect and Construction Company and worked retail for many years. Building a paintball facility, a store, buying stock and staying opened for a year to build your brand will cost at least 3-5 million dollars.

Let alone convincing people to play at your field which will prob be farther away or more outside the metro area than DP unless you plan on buying land inside the city area which goes for $200k+ an acre.

The cost to hire an architect, engineer needed to get permit, needed to get certificate of occupancy will also be somewhere in the neigbhorhood of $250,000k and a bank WILL NOT forward you the money to hire an architect and the county will not accept commercial plans without an architect's seal which means you'll either have to fork out 250,000 cash or find investors.

And on top of all that, the county may not even let you build the damn thing.

I don't mean to bust your buns, but saying your going to open a field is really ridiculous unless

A. your going to set up a private field on land you own and not use it for commercial purposes

B. your a millionaire or know millionaires

DP's setup works today because it has been grandfathered in from building codes long past in something called the Unified Building Code or (UBC) which isn't as strict. Since Ryan bought it as an EXISTING business he didn't have to update it per todays' standards.

Today we have adopted the Internation Building Code or (IBC) which is WAAYYYY different and county codes and requirements on commercial facilities changes drastically in late 90s. Therefor you would have to put up something equivalent to golf and stuff for it to comply with occupancy, fire safey, life safety and parking requirements of today.

The county fee's alone for you to get your construction permit on a commercial project of this scope will exceed $20,000 and that also the bank will not "loan" you.

A bank will only loan money for the actual construction not all the other leg work required.

Small Business Loans in excess of $500,000 are extremely hard to get.

You will need at least 3-5 acres minimum to open a field.

The amount of parking for the facility will be about 40 spaces minimum on asphault (dirt parking is no longer acceptable for new construction in pima county unless your way off the grid). Asphault and concrete alone will be $70,000.

Electrical contracting will be more.

Concrete even more.

The field itself with the needed amenities to be competitive will run around $120,000 going with dirt or turf or grass.

and not to mention, Hiring employees paying tax and benifts blah blah blah, paying healthcare ect. ect. ect. and then keeping your prices low to be competitive. You'll be lucky if you can pay yourself anything by your 2nd or 3rd year in operation if you aren't already bankrupt.

Again, unless you are a millionaire, good luck.

[seventy72deuce]

You'd have to find a place you could convert into a paintball arena. You dont think anything will happen to SI? Its illegal for paintball guns to be fired within city limits and if the limits pass SI.

[MaxOC]

uh... max..... hate to burst your proving me wrong bubble....

but i was talking about buying and selling land, not buying the land for a store.

theres a massive plot of land for relatively cheap, 2.5 mil, that according to what the land surrounding it has done in the last 2 years has done, is a bank in itself.

if you bought that land now, and left it alone, didnt let people build stores on it, nothing, just let it sit there and pay the taxes every year, then sold it in about 10 years, you could have anywhere from 8-16 mil.

now if you did build stores on it, etc, totally different number.

[MaxPower1272]

So you have 2.5 million sitting around to buy a massive plot of land? A 30 year mortgage on $2.5 mil would be in the neigborhood of $5000/month. Try to get that financed, especially in this market. And there's a law that says if you buy large amounts of land (near city centers) and don't develop within 1 year or use it for farming you pay huge tax rates.

Do you pay a mortgage?

Do you realize that you can just buy land and magically its a paintballfield field open for business?

Even to develop it for a paintball field with todays codes and requirements just the field (no store), would run you some serious cash. CASH. Not bank loans.

The system of todays building codes and worker's rights laws you'd end up building a store even if you didn't use it. You'd still have to provide handicap accessible bathrooms, proper storage areas, engineered field nets. Just to build 1 commercial field you'd be in so far up to your neck in other crap that you might as well build a store.

But yeah if your just talking about buying and selling land why is it relavent to paintball? Unless your going to do renegade ball on it? Or set up a private field that you can't charge to use.

Originally Posted by MaxOC

uh... max..... hate to burst your proving me wrong bubble....

but i was talking about buying and selling land, not buying the land for a store.

theres a massive plot of land for relatively cheap, 2.5 mil, that according to what the land surrounding it has done in the last 2 years has done, is a bank in itself.

if you bought that land now, and left it alone, didnt let people build stores on it, nothing, just let it sit there and pay the taxes every year, then sold it in about 10 years, you could have anywhere from 8-16 mil.

now if you did build stores on it, etc, totally different number.

[shunut]

Watch yourselves guys, this is the only warning you'll get. I believe the point of this thread was to see what type of paintball fields ect... are in Tucson. If you wish to discuss land and its use, do it somewhere else.

[kylep2212]

Meh, tucson fields blow.