I think it's time this is cleared...

lioutlaws316 · 10-08-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Castro #66

Don't worry, Fuby, you aren't alone in here.

The fact that the Gardners have a hand in it at all makes me a bit suspicious, nevermind the numbers and science that can't be proven until the stuff is actually released. So again like the First Strike rounds and many things before them, I'll reserve judgement until I can shoot these side by side against what we already have.

but whos going to get hit with them ?

Spock · 10-08-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ezekiel2517lim

I think tournaments allowing both .50 and .68 will be retarded. With a hopper of 400 balls you can hold a lane twice as long as someone with 200 balls.

You can hold a lane with an electronic marker much better than with a blowback spyder, but both are allowed.

IntenseImage · 10-08-2009, 07:17 AM

You can also slap the nose on the Pinokio hopper to hold your lane longer ... or start podding up while your shooting ... or get the larger hopper shell ...

Kids dont think these days

CrazyDriver84 · 10-08-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Castro #66

Don't worry, Fuby, you aren't alone in here.

The fact that the Gardners have a hand in it at all makes me a bit suspicious, nevermind the numbers and science that can't be proven until the stuff is actually released. So again like the First Strike rounds and many things before them, I'll reserve judgement until I can shoot these side by side against what we already have.

For the record the first strike rounds actually do work. My team is sponsored by Tiberius so they gave us a few to try out. They shoot farther and flatter than a regular paintball. Kinda sweet, but they only work in a Tiberius.

As for .50 cal. It's been done before. I don't see how this "revolution" will be any different this time around. You can't change physics.

doimakeurandy311 · 10-08-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ezekiel2517lim

I think tournaments allowing both .50 and .68 will be retarded. With a hopper of 400 balls you can hold a lane twice as long as someone with 200 balls.

THANK YOU!

lioutlaws316 · 10-08-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The_BC_08

Why not have a tournament run two different "divisions" with marker restrictions:
The one we're all familiar with
.68 markers and (specific) hoppers
-and-
a slightly cheaper one with
.50 markers (retro-fitted included) and .50 hoppers.
I mean there is already certain equipment restrictions in PSP, etc. so why not take that a step further with the .50cal paint. and make a 'seperate but equal' and cheaper tournament scene.
Just my 2cents :p

ya i like

Spock · 10-08-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lioutlaws316

ya i like

Because it's hard enough already to get enough teams to run a tournament with one caliber division.

osckey123 · 10-08-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lioutlaws316

ya i like

Why? There's simply no reason for that. If you are going to create new divisions for everybody that has a different piece of equipment then good luck to you because its really unnecessary.

bigman1416 · 10-08-2009, 08:40 AM

Yeah no, that's the worse possible case, .68 and .50 have to be playable on the same field, it's the only way it will work for fields and events.

Also First Strike rounds do work, it's actually scary how well they work. 200'+ shots, accurate... That's a game changer, if they weren't so damn expensive and kits so expensive.

Spock · 10-08-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bigman1416

Yeah no, that's the worse possible case, .68 and .50 have to be playable on the same field, it's the only way it will work for fields and events.

Also First Strike rounds do work, it's actually scary how well they work. 200'+ shots, accurate... That's a game changer, if they weren't so damn expensive and kits so expensive.

Undoubtedly, someone will copy them, and the prices will come down, at least until Tiberius gets a patent and starts asserting it.

shredxcam · 10-08-2009, 11:30 PM

wheres cockerpunk to do the tests for us?

visor · 10-08-2009, 11:41 PM

Cockerpunk is banned from PbNation

justin salas · 10-09-2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by osckey123

Just because .50 is available does not mean that PSP and USPL/NPPL are going to throw out .68 and make everybody switch. It's litteraly a matter of preference. In fact, start thinking about .50 as an upgrade option for your gun.

The most common complaint going around right now is that many players here feel that now they have to go buy all new guns and that their previous gun is now obselete. Paint companies, National Events, nor gun companies have any motif to toss .68 out the door. In fact, their is no reason you can't play both with .50 and .68 in the same tournament.

I hope that if there are any logical arguments why .50 caliber is such a bad thing, please speak out here.

And for the record, I don't like a lot of change in my life either, but this doesn't look half bad at all.

The most sense ive heard someone make out of the whole .5 cal deal. its so simple i feel stupid for not thinking of it lol

making seperate divisions would be stupid. like we really need more complications.

Spock · 10-09-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by shredxcam

wheres cockerpunk to do the tests for us?

I think he's working on it, based on a post I saw on another forum.

Soul06 · 10-09-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by greenvertboy

And you figured this out how? Hmm, GI milsim says they go farther, you say that .68 goes farther. I think I'll trust Mr. Italia over you.

So because Mr Italia told you they are better, with no stats or facts, you immediately take his words as gospel?

Castro #66 · 10-09-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyDriver84

For the record the first strike rounds actually do work. My team is sponsored by Tiberius so they gave us a few to try out. They shoot farther and flatter than a regular paintball. Kinda sweet, but they only work in a Tiberius.

As for .50 cal. It's been done before. I don't see how this "revolution" will be any different this time around. You can't change physics.

Wade, I'm surely familiar with those rounds, and have personally tested them myself. While I can't agree that they shoot flatter, they do have a longer "point blank" range, as well as overall. I can't honestly say that they're much better in terms of accuracy than some of the paint I've shot in my life, but with limited First Strike resources, I've yet to have a chance to prove it either way.

LIhazard · 10-09-2009, 09:28 AM

Less paint =easier to cheat

Spock · 10-09-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LIhazard

Less paint =easier to cheat

In almost every type of game other than tournaments with tons of refs around, you can pretty much get away with cheating 100% of the time now, unless people actually see the ball hit you. There's no "easier" than 100%.

Less paint also equals less paint on bunkers, so less confusion with refs about bunker rub.

bigman1416 · 10-09-2009, 09:50 AM

As the PSP rules stand they no longer rely on the mark, it's refs discretion, if he saw a hit on a hopper but it sprayed off you don't get a free pass. In rec/scenario where the the player ref ratio is 100:1 or 50:1 at best 25:1 it's going to be tricky and will have an effect on players since scenario relies alot on player refs and self checking, the lack of fill may create a bit of confusion on finding hits, it's one reason I don't like it for scenario, not alot of paint and the stuff already doesn't spread well on some of the things players wear. But if they're using the best fill (Hellfire) it'll make up for it, some what.

steve_81 · 10-09-2009, 09:58 AM

Does this game really need another divide in it?

ctleach308 · 10-09-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Spock

Because it's hard enough already to get enough teams to run a tournament with one caliber division.

^this