[fordmanpaintball]

Originally Posted by svt.cobra

whats up, hey if anyone else tries to but this thing. tell em to f#$k off haha i should have $$$ tomorrow

Sounds good talk to you tomorrow

[The_Fresh]

i'll buy it for $5000 right now. kidding.

[aan310]

The reach on a Clone VX and a Drone are identical.
The Drone will be a minor upgrade over the Axe.
Clone VX is a minor upgrade over the Drone.

If you get a Drone get it brand new so you have the new parts.
If you get a VX or a "VX'd" make sure it's got all the parts and don't pay more than $625 for a true VX. A true VX also has a better regulator than the "VX'd" V2s.

[The_Fresh]

the reach on the clone vx and the drone is NOT identical. I own both. The space between the trigger guard and regulator is a lot nicer on the vx. You can fully grip it with your hand comfortably as with the drone you cannot tuck your thumb behind the reg.

the drone is a phenomenal gun for sub 450. It cannot be beat in terms of price / performance. and it takes the clone grips and oled if you wanted to upgrade it. has wonderful efficiency AFTER being broken in (took about 10 cases for me).

the vx though, is just so much smoother. It's night and day smoother and just so sexy. I don't regret selling my drone after owning this VX

[Zippin35]

To say the clone vx is a minor upgrade over the drone is not true. The drone is an unbalanced spool and the clone is a balanced spool, they are different animals. Not to mention stock the clone comes with the shift, not the matchstick, as well as the oled board and other upgrades. I do not say this to bash the drone DX as it truly is a phenomenal gun at its range, but the clone line is the epitome of what a spool should be and is definetley on another level.

[svt.cobra]

so what are major differences in vx vs vx'd regs? anything to worry about?

[Zippin35]

Not really. There is a different reg but either will work amazingly well. The feedneck is slightly different and some minor milling and a few other minor cosmetics. Once you have the gold bolt in a v1/2 clone you have attained all the major performance parts you will need, anything else will be much more minor or purely cosmetic.

[svt.cobra]

bought vx'd clone from fordmanpaintball for 500. cant wait to get it

[blueshifty]

Congrats. Be sure to post up pics and any questions you may have. Remember militia v2... it'll save headaches.

[neo2000x]

Also check out the Poopy spring mod. It's been getting good reviews...

[blueshifty]

Originally Posted by neo2000x

Also check out the Poopy spring mod. It's been getting good reviews...

IMO, the pooty mod is indeed a "poopy" mod. Save your money and buy paint.

[neo2000x]

Originally Posted by blueshifty

IMO, the pooty mod is indeed a "poopy" mod. Save your money and buy paint.

Have you tried it? I have issues with FSDO. My biggest gripe with the Clone has been it's sensitivity to oring tolerances and being overlubed. I was hoping this mod would help with that.

My bad about the spelling haha

[pjerzy1]

When I had my clones they were never touchy when it came to oring figment.

[blueshifty]

I haven't and I won't (for one because I got rid of my clone). I don't want to stir a big debate, but I never had FSDO issues on my droid or clone that a fresh battery and properly fit orings couldn't cure. If you're putting a band aide on your poor tech skills by adding an unneeded part, then I don't get it.

I will say that for the service Chris provides, he does quality work and seems respectable so I have nothing against him or his service. I am happy that people like him do this "professionally" so people don't go after their guns with dremel tools and blame MacDev.

[carolinaragetc]

I don't feel its necessary mod either, but it does interest me. People have reported a great increase in consistency and small increase in efficiency (not that it needs it). Even James @ MacDev endorsed it somewhat (on the GT, but nearly the same drive)

[blueshifty]

These are the same people that report better range, accuracy or a "flatter trajectory" from mods. Physics is physics and the spring mod can only affect the gun in certain ways. The beauty of a free market is that it's your money to spend as you please. Just FYI, even if Pooty uses high end springs they will have a life of ~100,000 cycles before their performance will significantly degrade.

Funny thing is when I shot dye exclusively, people would say the "top hat" mod made their gun smoother/ quieter. That is an impossible effect of the mod. The mod worked by reducing the volume of the dump chamber and increasing the pressure (in the chamber). It'd be louder if anything.

Paintball is so anecdotal and is one of the reason's I miss Tom Kaye. Approach these issues with a scientific approach and see how many things work as ADVERTISED.

[neo2000x]

Originally Posted by blueshifty

I haven't and I won't (for one because I got rid of my clone). I don't want to stir a big debate, but I never had FSDO issues on my droid or clone that a fresh battery and properly fit orings couldn't cure. If you're putting a band aide on your poor tech skills by adding an unneeded part, then I don't get it.

I will say that for the service Chris provides, he does quality work and seems respectable so I have nothing against him or his service. I am happy that people like him do this "professionally" so people don't go after their guns with dremel tools and blame MacDev.

Just because some people don't want to hand select orings doesn't mean they are technically incapable. Some people want less maintenance due to life styles. Some would also argue that having to hand pick orings is a band aid for a design too sensitive to manufacturing tolerances, and that this mod, if it works, should have been in the original design. Also note that the guys at MacDev are testing this so it must have some significance.

I agree with your annoyance about false advertising, and that this mod was presented in an unclear manner, however it may be beneficial to a portion of the Clone customer base if it does indeed help FSDO and consistency.

[blueshifty]

Originally Posted by neo2000x

Just because some people don't want to hand select orings doesn't mean they are technically incapable. Some people want less maintenance due to life styles. Some would also argue that having to hand pick orings is a band aid for a design too sensitive to manufacturing tolerances, and that this mod, if it works, should have been in the original design. Also note that the guys at MacDev are testing this so it must have some significance.

Not in the mood to debate it, but loose gun tolerances are a result of traditionally lose oring tolerances. There is actually an exact spec for seal surface tolerances given the application and oring size. MacDev seems to keep pretty close to the real number, where other companies like BLAST tend to go to the high side and use dow55 to compensate. The guys at MacDev can test anything they want, but IMO springs have no business in a high-end balanced spool. Traditionally they compensate for a balancing bias.

[svt.cobra]

so what actually did they change in the regs from the clone to the vx clone? what makes it better. can the non vx clone reg be rebuilt to be vx in that particular area?