[som3 dud3]

Yeah that's me.

[IRPancake]

I still don't understand why god would create the angels with the possibility of them rebelling

[Fubarius]

Since no reason is given for their creation in the Bible or even in the non-canon texts I know of (though I've been meaning to go through the Book of Enoch again), all we could do is speculate.

[ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη]

Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek

What about a physical manifestation of good?

Perhaps not exclusively.

[IRPancake]

Originally Posted by Fubarius

Since no reason is given for their creation in the Bible or even in the non-canon texts I know of (though I've been meaning to go through the Book of Enoch again), all we could do is speculate.

No kidding, thats the entire point of this subforum.

Theres no such thing as FACT when discussing religion, nobody really knows. Even if its written somewhere, does that all of a sudden mean its true? I just don't understand why such a intelligent being would allow something like that to happen, or rather, how an 'all-powerful' being can allow it to continue to happen.

[Fubarius]

Originally Posted by IRPancake

No kidding, thats the entire point of this subforum.

Theres no such thing as FACT when discussing religion, nobody really knows. Even if its written somewhere, does that all of a sudden mean its true? I just don't understand why such a intelligent being would allow something like that to happen, or rather, how an 'all-powerful' being can allow it to continue to happen.

One possibility is that for something that is "all knowing" (for whatever definition of that phrase you feel like using) the only thing they wouldn't know, is well, un-knowing.

Though the usual answer is the old "it's entirely intentional and deliberate and part of a larger plan we cannot comprehend". He created them knowing full well that a certain number would rebel for a perfectly logical reason that will make sense, oh, about 5 minutes after the end of the universe.

[ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη]

Originally Posted by IRPancake

No kidding, thats the entire point of this subforum.

Theres no such thing as FACT when discussing religion, nobody really knows. Even if its written somewhere, does that all of a sudden mean its true? I just don't understand why such a intelligent being would allow something like that to happen, or rather, how an 'all-powerful' being can allow it to continue to happen.

He's merely talking about the subject in biblical contexts.

[270KIDZ]

Originally Posted by IRPancake

Theres no such thing as FACT when discussing religion, nobody really knows. Even if its written somewhere, does that all of a sudden mean its true?

If it is written in the bible, than it is a "fact" of Christian theology. So, of course, it matters whether it has been written about or not...

[IRPancake]

Originally Posted by ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη

He's merely talking about the subject in biblical contexts.

Originally Posted by 270KIDZ

If it is written in the bible, than it is a "fact" of Christian theology. So, of course, it matters whether it has been written about or not...

understood. but when the bible contradicts itself so often, one has to wonder what the author(s) are actually trying to say.

[270KIDZ]

Originally Posted by IRPancake

understood. but when the bible contradicts itself so often, one has to wonder what the author(s) are actually trying to say.

You claim that the Bible contradicts itself but give no reference to any contradiction. Interesting...

[IRPancake]

golden rule + 1/2 the stories in the bible = headexplode.gif

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by 270KIDZ

You claim that the Bible contradicts itself but give no reference to any contradiction. Interesting...

please pick up the bible and using it as a source lay out the exact sequence of events of easter. Tell me that there is any coherence between the different authors. I'll wait.

[270KIDZ]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

please pick up the bible and using it as a source lay out the exact sequence of events of easter. Tell me that there is any coherence between the different authors. I'll wait.

Lets use a metaphor. I like metaphors.

The Bible is like TV. The different gospels is like 4 different news stations (CNN, Fox, etc). The events of Easter are like the election of a politician.

All four news stations are going to report on the same event but have very different stories. The opposing party would report on why this is bad, while another network would report about how this will effect the economy. All the networks have an angle (partisan, economy, civil rights, etc).

Now even though there were several different stories, that doesn't change the events themselves. Just the perspective of the author.

The 4 Gospels were written for different reasons. Each of the Four Gospels portrays a different aspect of Jesus:

Matthew -- The prophesied Messiah of the Jews
Matthew was written for a Jewish audience. It's primary purpose is to prove that Jesus is the promised Messiah by showing how He is the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah.


Mark -- Human Jesus, Obedient Servant
Jesus was not simply God with the appearance of a human. Jesus actually was fully human incarnate. When He became human He left His divine powers in heaven and came to live among men as a man. (He was able to perform miracles because He was filled with the Holy Spirit.) It is often taught that Mark portrays Jesus as an obedient servant of God, even obedient unto death.


Luke -- Savior of all mankind
Luke was written for a Gentile audience. They were not familiar with Hebrew prophecies about the Messiah nor did they care about them. One of his major themes is that Jesus came for all mankind.


John -- God Incarnate
John, the last Gospel, was written around 96 A.D. It's primary purpose is to show the deity of Christ.

Questions?

[ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη]

Your description of Mark proves to me my theory that God would not have been able to perform any miracles without his baptism. The Spirit came upon him. "This is necessary."

I'm really not sure if I'm a Christian anymore...

[teamsilentassassins]

Originally Posted by ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη

Your description of Mark proves to me my theory that God would not have been able to perform any miracles without his baptism. The Spirit came upon him. "This is necessary."

Yes...that's the point.

[spracks21]

Originally Posted by ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη

I'm really not sure if I'm a Christian anymore...

Jesus understands us...


God and Tebow miss you.

[270KIDZ]

Originally Posted by ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη

Your description of Mark proves to me my theory that God would not have been able to perform any miracles without his baptism. The Spirit came upon him. "This is necessary."

I'm really not sure if I'm a Christian anymore...

Thats like only listening to FOX and assuming thats the whole story. There are 4 Gospels for a reason. They all highlight a different part of Jesus.

Mark tells you the Jesus was a human. He came to Earth a human and lived a perfect life. But John teaches us that Jesus was God, a part of the trinity.

[ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη]

Originally Posted by 270KIDZ

Thats like only listening to FOX and assuming thats the whole story. There are 4 Gospels for a reason. They all highlight a different part of Jesus.

Mark tells you the Jesus was a human. He came to Earth a human and lived a perfect life. But John teaches us that Jesus was God, a part of the trinity.

I was not in any way trying to say that Jesus was not God in that post. In fact, I worded it in such a way deliberately so that the subject would not even be brought up.

[Mastermind26]

Originally Posted by ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη

Your description of Mark proves to me my theory that God would not have been able to perform any miracles without his baptism. The Spirit came upon him. "This is necessary."

I'm really not sure if I'm a Christian anymore...

Uh. what?!?

The description merely says that the H.S. came upon Jesus as a SIGN to John!

[ἔρως-φιλία-ἀγάπη]

Originally Posted by Mastermind26

Uh. what?!?

The description merely says that the H.S. came upon Jesus as a SIGN to John!

I see no reason to believe that Jesus was filled with the holy spirit before his baptism.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by 270KIDZ

Lets use a metaphor. I like metaphors.

The Bible is like TV. The different gospels is like 4 different news stations (CNN, Fox, etc). The events of Easter are like the election of a politician.

All four news stations are going to report on the same event but have very different stories. The opposing party would report on why this is bad, while another network would report about how this will effect the economy. All the networks have an angle (partisan, economy, civil rights, etc).

Now even though there were several different stories, that doesn't change the events themselves. Just the perspective of the author.

The 4 Gospels were written for different reasons. Each of the Four Gospels portrays a different aspect of Jesus:



Questions?

yeah, this is not the Easter story. You didn't respond to me at all. Is God that lazy and incompetent that he cannot find people who will get his story straight?