Humor me for a second, but I think I might have a point here...

Tank Wilson · 01-11-2011, 01:26 PM

Maybe it's just in the movies, but have you ever seen a scene where one soldier messes up in boot camp, and the whole platoon ends up having to do push ups or clean the toilets? And then they all end up hating that one guy, or at least trying to make sure that one guy is staying in line?

What's up with that logic? Why does one bad apple ruin the whole platoon and make them pay?

What lesson is the drill instructor trying to instill in these soldiers?

If there are any vets or currently enlisted men or women reading this, please share some stories where one man screwed the pooch for the entire squad.

NotMaxpowOrDarshSauc (Banned) · 01-11-2011, 01:41 PM

My cousin told me of a young man who couldn't get his **** together on the shooting range. They all beat the **** out of him one night because he kept getting everyone into trouble.

They are teaching that the unit is only as strong as the weakest link. So everyone needs to be top notch so they don't die.

Not really sure how this can be debated and is relevant to politics.

drgonzo · 01-11-2011, 01:42 PM

Did he get his **** together after that?

NotMaxpowOrDarshSauc (Banned) · 01-11-2011, 01:45 PM

Yeah he did. I don't remember the exact details but he wasn't following protocols and after being beaten (I guess the instructors observed and said nothing) he stopped. I will have to ask him for a refresher on the story.

drgonzo · 01-11-2011, 01:52 PM

Of course, if he didn't, it wouldn't be much of a story heh

Tank Wilson · 01-11-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NotMaxpowOrDarshSauc

My cousin told me of a young man who couldn't get his **** together on the shooting range. They all beat the **** out of him one night because he kept getting everyone into trouble.

They are teaching that the unit is only as strong as the weakest link. So everyone needs to be top notch so they don't die.

Not really sure how this can be debated and is relevant to politics.

Well, let's take this line of logic to the recent shooting in Arizona.

Should all Americans pay the consequences for the actions of a loner?

Tha-Italian-Stallion · 01-11-2011, 02:00 PM

The movie is Full Metal Jacket....
And Gomer Pyle* ends up killing said drill instructor.

Wango_Tango · 01-11-2011, 02:17 PM

Gomer Pyle

Legumeofterror (Banned) · 01-11-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tank Wilson

Well, let's take this line of logic to the recent shooting in Arizona.

Should all Americans pay the consequences for the actions of a loner?

The abuse of of our rights by one individual does not mean that they should be stripped from everyone else. The price you pay to have theses rights is at time they are abused.

Comparing what is afforded to us by the constitution to keeping soldiers in line during combat makes little sense.

drgonzo · 01-11-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bnctaj

All Americans should watch out after their fellow Americans for signs of disease, depression, etc.

To a certain extent we all do, it's hard to miss in many cases. The real problem is we have no good mechanism for dealing with it.

ladd_17 · 01-11-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tank Wilson

Well, let's take this line of logic to the recent shooting in Arizona.

Should all Americans pay the consequences for the actions of a loner?

We do, and have. Our overseers have attempted to strip our 2nd Amendment rights from American citizens after damn near every widely-publicized shooting. Fortunately, they don't succeed too often.

Tank Wilson · 01-11-2011, 03:19 PM

As a gun nut myself, i wouldn't consider making high capacity mags harder to get as "they are taking our guns away"

But that's just me.

ladd_17 · 01-11-2011, 03:31 PM

I don't either, but it's all about baby-steps. What's 'high capacity'? 30? 10? 5? Able to shoot without manually reloading?

EDIT: Furthermore, a 'ban' on hi-cap mags will only cause headaches for law-abiding citizens. They're already on the market by the millions, and criminals will be able to get their hands on them easy enough, same as any other 'common sense gun control' measure. The criminals don't care if it's against the law, they're criminals.

Also, this is the first time in recent memory that the shooter didn't off himself at the end of his/her shooting spree. Based on that, I would argue that the majority of people who pull stunts like this plan to be dead at the end of it anyways, so what does one extra law that would add 5-10 years to his sentence matter? He won't be serving time, he'll be dead.

Subterfuge · 01-11-2011, 03:33 PM

There was an instance where someone shot himself in the head commiting suicide. This prevented me from withdrawing my pistol from the armor room. I needed the pistol so I could have protection against bears and whatever wildlife hiking somewhere 200 miles above the arctic circle. Thankfully my friend who was out of the military had his pistol. He didn't need to use it. He loaded it when we encountered a bear cave somewhere up in one of the mountains, but that was it.

Volucris · 01-11-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tank Wilson

As a gun nut myself, i wouldn't consider making high capacity mags harder to get as "they are taking our guns away"

But that's just me.

If you cut off one of my hands I'm not dead but I sure as **** am not happy. There is no acceptable control they can put into place. All the measures of control are designed to remove liberty from individuals for temporary security for the few.

Subterfuge · 01-11-2011, 03:36 PM

The was an instance where someone had a DUI. This forced us all out into formation on superbowl sunday before the game ended. It was -20 degrees out.

DyePaintballer2k11 · 01-11-2011, 03:54 PM

So the OP topic was about military punishment and unit cohesion, but the real point of the thread was to talk about the shooting. Seeing as how your intentions have nothing to do with the ****ing topic, how about you close this thread and stop making retarded "connections".

ayabrae · 01-11-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Subterfuge

The was an instance where someone had a DUI. This forced us all out into formation on superbowl sunday before the game ended. It was -20 degrees out.

Ouch.

Tank Wilson · 01-11-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DyePaintballer2k11

So the OP topic was about military punishment and unit cohesion, but the real point of the thread was to talk about the shooting. Seeing as how your intentions have nothing to do with the ****ing topic, how about you close this thread and stop making retarded "connections".

How about you ****ing shut the **** up.

Someone asked me to make it relevant, so I tried. If I failed, than so be it. But I will **** you in your ****ing *** *****.

Umami · 01-11-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Volucris

If you cut off one of my hands I'm not dead but I sure as **** am not happy. There is no acceptable control they can put into place. All the measures of control are designed to remove liberty from individuals for temporary security for the few.

So you're saying I should be able to drive drunk through a school zone, because drinking laws are restricting my liberty?

ladd_17 · 01-11-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Umami

So you're saying I should be able to drive drunk through a school zone, because drinking laws are restricting my liberty?

Except, drunk driving is an inherently dangerous and reckless behavior. There is nothing inherently dangerous or reckless about simply owning or being in possession of a high-capacity magazine.