[custar]

England also imposes a Value Added Tax of roughly 22% (IIRC) that would be figured into those prices. Sticker prices in here will be less (we should add sales tax of 8% for comparison), but so are our .68 prices, no? We should have some prices for U.S. paint soon. If .50 is only $10.00 to $11.00 per case less, .50 will not do well.

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[red_merkin]

Paintball in the UK (and Canada)is a lot more expensive than it is in the US.
Plugging numbers into a currency converter isn't going to give you an accurate cost of the paint price. With paintball pricing in the UK, it's never as simple as plugging your numbers into xe.com

Hold on Hold on people.

1.-- .50 cal has 60.26% less volume "boxes are smaller"
2.-- Weigth 1.21g vs 3g
3.-- Tighter spaces between the balls

So less cardboard and less than 50% ball weight and a FIXED shipping cost = twice as many or MORE per skid per container of paint.

Shipping is less thus cost is reduced to ship to UK.

In the USA the shipping costs will be less but not by as much since Pallets or UPS/FEDEX size shippments won't save ratio wise as much money vs a shipping container.

I would suspect prices in USA to be at or higher ratio wise to .68cal vs prices posted for UK

I was shown a MSRP price list for the US, and if this turns out to be correct, then the price difference per grade will range about 20-30% cheaper compared to a popular 68 caliber brand of paint.

You are right about one thing though; it does cost a lot less to ship a box of 2000 50 cal. Twice as much paint per palette, and half the weight per box. When you're paying for space in a refrigerated truck, that adds up.

Is it me or have the GI Milsim folks been very quiet lately?

There's nothing new to say. I don't think you'll find them debating on the forums or anything like that. I know they read what's written here, and on P8ntballer, MCB and the forum that shall not be named, but i would be surprised if you start seeing company reps posting on here for now.

Everyone's talking about them right now, and they haven't said a word. Scares me how well they're managing that haha

why does that scare you?

If .50 is only $10.00 to $11.00 per case less, .50 will not do well.

Paint varies a lot in price depending on grade, right, so you'll save more money on higher grade paint because it costs more.
My feeling is that if the 30% number is true then that will be enough to tempt a good number of people and businesses at first, and even more as time goes on.

[custar]

Originally Posted by red_merkin

There's nothing new to say. I don't think you'll find them debating on the forums or anything like that. I know they read what's written here, and on P8ntballer, MCB and the forum that shall not be named, but i would be surprised if you start seeing company reps posting on here for now.

The last time Billy Gardner posted on PBN, it went very badly for him. I suspect the real attorneys advising him told him to stop that. That's Sean's job for SP, but I haven't seen/heard anyone in an analogous position with GI Milsim.

Originally Posted by red_merkin

Paint varies a lot in price depending on grade, right, so you'll save more money on higher grade paint because it costs more.
My feeling is that if the 30% number is true then that will be enough to tempt a good number of people and businesses at first, and even more as time goes on.

Part of the price differential is inclusion of the VAT in the posted prices in the UK versus the pre-tax price quotes here in the U.S. Shipping also must be a factor.

I thought 30% - 33% was about the break point for price difference, If the paint savings are less, .50 will have a hard time. At savings in those ranges, some will be willing to exchange paint prices for performance. If the polls on PBN are any indication for the ratio, it looks like 8% - 10% would be willing to explore that possibility.

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[Maximumheat2001]

Originally Posted by Spitlebug

Just stick with me, I'll get you the goods.

P.S. this whole crap storm is due to Italia and his non-compete clause upon leaving ProCaps and he's bringing along his dirty S.O.B. buddy Michael Spurlock (of DXS Pulse screw up, among other things).

Good read: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post63073828

Very interesting on the "Good read" and a little further on down that page.

[red_merkin]

The last time Billy Gardner posted on PBN, it went very badly for him. I suspect the real attorneys advising him told him to stop that. That's Sean's job for SP, but I haven't seen/heard anyone in an analogous position with GI Milsim.

Yeah, Billy messed that up quite royally. I don't see GI Milsim making the same mistakes.

Recently sean's personal life has had some dramatic changes, so now he's living in South America. Maybe he'll show up in the near future to rep GI Milsim on the forums, who knows. For now though he's enjoying the vida loca.

If the polls on PBN are any indication for the ratio, it looks like 8% - 10% would be willing to explore that possibility.

Internet forums are one of the worst possible sources for data and statics.

[Spock]

Originally Posted by justin734

you also have to keep in mind that paint is much more expensive to begin wit hin the UK

the prices are as such

50 cal RRP
Tournament Class £29.99
Rec Winter Class £25.99
Rec Class £25.50

.68 cal RRP
Hellfire £36.74
Blaze £32.14
Rec Sport £29.90

Word. It is about about $10 less per case if you compare the prices.

[Spitlebug]

Originally Posted by Maximumheat2001

Very interesting on the "Good read" and a little further on down that page.

Yes, I know more than I am letting on.

[nitr0cs1]

.50 won't progress the sport if those prices are indeed true. 2000 balls for 40 bucks for rec is what I usually pay for now...and I had to quit because I couldn't afford that every sunday for 2 cases.

If that $40 dollar case was stuffed with 4000 paintballs, I would of given it a chance.

[SplatopiaUnited00]

yeah but you people have to understand the equipment you use now is made for .68. your standard pods will not be holding 140 it will be holding about 200+. also from the videos i saw a standard torque which usually hold 180 tops is holding 400. just imagine you will be shooting more causing you to buy more cases. this is just all a scam so they can earn more money for our sport

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by nitr0cs1

If that $40 dollar case was stuffed with 4000 paintballs, I would of given it a chance.

And some would say selling people 4,000 balls for $40 would create an environment that a relatively few people would choose to take part in. So that might do the opposite of furthering the sport. So be careful what you wish for.

[WillyW0nka]

Originally Posted by Horizon

And some would say selling people 4,000 balls for $40 would create an environment that a relatively few people would choose to take part in. So that might do the opposite of furthering the sport. So be careful what you wish for.

Oddly enough, I imagine this wouldn't be good at all for your field would it?

People start buying and shooting twice as much paint and your rec players start leaving again.

[eforcegtid00d]

Originally Posted by SplatopiaUnited00

yeah but you people have to understand the equipment you use now is made for .68. your standard pods will not be holding 140 it will be holding about 200+. also from the videos i saw a standard torque which usually hold 180 tops is holding 400. just imagine you will be shooting more causing you to buy more cases. this is just all a scam so they can earn more money for our sport

You may be able to carry more paint, but you still have more paint available in your hopper. It will take more time for you to need the next pod.

[WillyW0nka]

Originally Posted by eforcegtid00d

You may be able to carry more paint, but you still have more paint available in your hopper. It will take more time for you to need the next pod.

I don't think so.

Now, you have to stop shooting here and there or you'll run out of paint or air before the games over. If you're able to hold more paint and use less air with each shot, you can expect to see games where players will literally shoot buzzer-to-buzzer. If you have enough paint and air, why stop?

I can see this putting a LOT more paint in the air.

[Ninja-Duck]

Originally Posted by red_merkin

you probably aren't paying the MSRP...

Yes, actually I do pay MSRP. .50 might be a little cheaper, but it's no where near cheap enough to make switching worth it or pointfull IMO.

[iboomalot]

i take about 1200 - 1250 rounds with me and I have plenty of air.

When playing REC players or anyone else I have to monitor my useage. If I shoot 800 rounds in a game then Iam short on the turn around game. With 3,000 .50cal on my hip means I can lay down massive firepower and scare away alot of new players since I can't tell them from the EGO toting experience players. Depending on who Iam shooting at determines to a point my ROF but sometimes you can't tell. Also when I have to reload a pod I usually stop shooting which gives the noobs a chance to play and shoot at me. Having 500 rounds in my hooper means I could keep laying paint after paint after paint. Since .50cal has a shorter range and shorter breakage range this could lead to much more hosing the experienced and the newbies alike in the heat of battle.

carry more paint could be nice but could be bad for the sport

[$h@key J0nEZ]

Wait! Where are all the huge savings we were promised?

[WillyW0nka]

Originally Posted by $h@key J0nEZ

Wait! Where are all the huge savings we were promised?

They're in Al Gore's lockbox, along with a stash pile of WMD's and the lochness monster

[$h@key J0nEZ]

But they were supposed to save the sport.

[ElectroCanadian]

Originally Posted by orgasmo2

You honestly think there is not one paint factory in Europe?

There is no Procaps/GI Milsim factory in Europe. I don't think that, I know that as fact.

[Horizon]

Originally Posted by WillyW0nka

Oddly enough, I imagine this wouldn't be good at all for your field would it?

People start buying and shooting twice as much paint and your rec players start leaving again.

Well if I sold the paint cheaper it would not be good, but I would have no intention of selling the paint cheaper, so it would make very lkittle difference at my field. As a matter of fact, I would most likely make more money since the wholesale cost would be lower. Even so, I still don't want to see paint cheaper than it already is at most fields, because it will just mean an even worse prognosis for the indutry's future.

[Pump Scout]

Until we're 100% sure if those prices are locked in and accurate for the US market, AND whether that price is for 2000 or 4000 ball cases, this is still all speculation. If it's the price for 4000 rounds, great, there's the price saving. If it's for 2000, then the proof is out there that the price savings is bunk.

I haven't been overly encouraged by the pre-pricing I've seen on some online stores for markers at this point, though.