How are classifications being handeled in the USPL

Exilict · 02-01-2009, 01:04 AM

I have read on a few sites now where the USPL is referring to PSP rankings through the APPA. Yet as far as I can tell the USPL is not using the APPA as their system for rankings. Which I guess could be extended to "Should the USPL be using APPA information that they are not buying?" (If in fact that is the case, not accusing, just asking)

With the NPPL rankings tied up in court (at least that is what I am told) how is the USPL going to stop sandbagging across the league?

-X

US Paintball League · 02-01-2009, 01:08 AM

There are a few options out there in regards to classifications/registration; and not one is perfect for us given the situation that the NPPL classifications are tied up in court. The registration company which the NPPL used has those classifications, but only those classifications. APPA has extensive classifications for just about every league except for the NPPL. And of course there are companies from other industries who would love to work with us, but have no database at all. We are in talks with these companies to determine the best option for the players. A decision will be made within the next 5 days. I will be sure to post on here as soon as this information is finalized.

DisasterPlayer · 02-01-2009, 11:48 AM

dont use appa please

US Paintball League · 02-01-2009, 11:50 AM

Can you elaborate on this? Just want to find out what cons are out there please - thanks!

pmac2002 · 02-01-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DisasterPlayer

dont use appa please

Maybe it would be ok But using psp rankings really doesnt sound fair to those who only play 7-man.

The formats are completely diffrent!

Exilict · 02-01-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pmac2002

Maybe it would be ok But using psp rankings really doesnt sound fair to those who only play 7-man.

The formats are completely different!

So you would be ok with Pro's in the PSP playing entry level 7-man because the format is totally different, correct?

pmac2002 · 02-01-2009, 01:00 PM

^^valid point b ut how many psp players lean on ramping and have no real gun skills? not all but there are alot!

but that is a valid point

Exilict · 02-01-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pmac2002

^^valid point b ut how many psp players lean on ramping and have no real gun skills? not all but there are alot!

but that is a valid point

About as many people in the NPPL use illegal boards.

-X

BunkerKing5291 · 02-01-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pmac2002

^^valid point b ut how many psp players lean on ramping and have no real gun skills? not all but there are alot!

but that is a valid point

I love when people say that ramping = no gun skills. Walking a trigger is a gun skill? Gave me a laugh.

Sharpie_H8 · 02-01-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BunkerKing5291

I love when people say that ramping = no gun skills. Walking a trigger is a gun skill? Gave me a laugh.

if i can shoot faster than you when snapping out, im gonna have a better chance to hit you, considering everything else is even. its called the law of probability...

Exilict · 02-01-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpie_H8

if i can shoot faster than you when snapping out, im gonna have a better chance to hit you, considering everything else is even. its called the law of probability...

So if I am standing in a box, you shooting 1000pbs has a better chance of hitting me then someone shooting 10bps?

And since when is everyone even? Hell if we are all even lets just have 1 classification and only 3 teams get great prizes.

BunkerKing5291 · 02-01-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpie_H8

if i can shoot faster than you when snapping out, im gonna have a better chance to hit you, considering everything else is even. its called the law of probability...

It doesn't matter how many balls your shooting at someone, Its the skill of snapping not speed of a gun.

Back on topic:

I was talking to a teamate of mine today and I thought to myself, Is there anyway to get the old rankings from nppl players and try to work out something with that, or are thoese lost?

pmac2002 · 02-01-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BunkerKing5291

I love when people say that ramping = no gun skills. Walking a trigger is a gun skill? Gave me a laugh.

not meant to start trouble with ramping i have done both like both just an opion I have seen first hand xball player play 7man and it takes some time to understand oops we lost that point in xball it can be corrected on the next point.

But there are no do overs in 7man...again just my opinion!

BunkerKing5291 · 02-01-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pmac2002

not meant to start trouble with ramping i have done both like both just an opion I have seen first hand xball player play 7man and it takes some time to understand oops we lost that point in xball it can be corrected on the next point.

But there are no do overs in 7man...again just my opinion!

I know what your saying but thats completely different from the idea of ramping.

ptk22 · 02-01-2009, 02:13 PM

i think he is referring to the way some kids think they're running and gunning but they are just shooting all over at 13bps hoping to hit a bad guy just my opinion

BunkerKing5291 · 02-01-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ptk22

i think he is referring to the way some kids think they're running and gunning but they are just shooting all over at 13bps hoping to hit a bad guy just my opinion

Ya true. I understand the whole mindset of formats. Xball is fast. 7 man is more slowed down strategic. But we where on the topic of gun ramping not format of games.

triggerhappy13 · 02-01-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pmac2002

not meant to start trouble with ramping i have done both like both just an opion I have seen first hand xball player play 7man and it takes some time to understand oops we lost that point in xball it can be corrected on the next point.

But there are no do overs in 7man...again just my opinion!

they r 2 different styles games xball the shove it down their throat momentum game more of a grind where u take big chances

or the 7man which is a more prcision based staying alive version of the game

no game is inferior to each other they both have different styles, and u should not be so quick to judge

gun skills?, if ur GOOD in any paintball format then u have gun skills rampin does not lower them it just makes it easier fo ur fingers u still got to point and shoot at the target

BunkerKing5291 · 02-01-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by triggerhappy13

they r 2 different styles games xball the shove it down their throat momentum game more of a grind where u take big chances

or the 7man which is a more prcision based staying alive version of the game

no game is inferior to each other they both have different styles, and u should not be so quick to judge

gun skills?, if ur GOOD in any paintball format then u have gun skills rampin does not lower them it just makes it easier fo ur fingers u still got to point and shoot at the target

Hahaha.

So my questions isn't skipped:

I was talking to a teamate of mine today and I thought to myself, Is there anyway to get the old rankings from nppl players and try to work out something with that, or are thoese lost?

ZenMike · 02-01-2009, 02:44 PM

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Can you elaborate on this? Just want to find out what cons are out there please - thanks!

I think the biggest problem is how to deal with the missing player histories. I know of players who played 2008 in the NPPL with D1 and semi-pro teams and played with D3 teams at PSP's World Cup because they are ranked D3 and D4 in the PSP.

In the long run I think a single player database is best, but switching and loosing the entire history from the NPPL could cause a real problem for a couple seasons in the lower divisions.

If the NPPL database just isn't available then there may not be a better option, but the transition year could be rough.

magicsly1 · 02-01-2009, 03:35 PM

Everyone needs to get back on topic. This isn't Xball vs. 7-man thread or ramping vs. semi. It is about the ranking system USPL will be using.

I believe using APPA is the wisest decision. It is universal and actually keeps track of a players history. I can tell you I played on a Pro team last year in 7 man (I did not) and I would have no way of proving it, or you disproving it.

Raehl has worked on the APPA system for years and the XPSL even used this system. The only reason it was never utilized is due to Shawn Walkers greed. He tried to mimic the system by copying the APPA process and sell it for his own gain.

This was a huge problem and now can finally be corrected. The USPL seems to be making a lot of steps in the right direction and using the APPA system would only help further their commitment to a great league for their players to play in.

the other one · 02-01-2009, 03:46 PM

To make it a LOT easier on players to play multiple leagues, and for everyone to save money....

I say use the APPA.

If you CAN get the rankings from the NPPL at any time, they can just be implemented into the APPA system, right? Just work out a deal where you can at any time add in previous ranking data to their system.

If you can NOT get the rankings from the NPPL, then it'd be smart to loosely base the new rankings for the USPL on the PSP's rankings. It'd be very difficult for a palyer to play D1 in one league while claiming to be D3 in another. This would help level things out. Maybe put a "one division difference" cap on players, so that if someone plays D1 in one league, they cannot be classified as anything below D2. This would be the most fair (in my opinion) for players that aren't used to playing the different formats, but would also prevent too much sandbagging.

For players that haven't played PSP tournaments before, and try to sandbag due to the loophole that is created by not having previous NPPL rankings.... well.... as soon as the previous rankings are released, issue some major penalties to players that are in violation to it.

Also, the money issue... when my old team played PSP and NPPL, we found it kind of ridiculous to pay for two registration systems. It cost us a lot of money... and a big hassle at the beginning of the season to get all the registration stuff sorted out. It's a pain to register twice, it's a pain to get two ID's, it's a pain to pay twice for the same thing....

So if we can unify it, it'll be cheaper for players, easier for players, more efficient for small teams and individual players, etc.... I really think it's a good idea.

And if you don't like the way the APPA does something... well.... you're a major customer, and you can get things changed. That's the beauty of it. A system exists that is working for a few leagues... so you should be able to jump in on it and use it to your advantage, and the advantage of us all.

tl;dr - use APPA.