Find fields & stores near you!
Find fields and stores
Zipcode
PbNation News
PbNation News
Community Focus
Community Focus

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-27-2011, 08:55 PM #1
Lurker27
Overthinker
 
Lurker27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Annual Supporting Member
Lurker27 is a Mega Moderator
 has been a member for 10 years
Lurker27 has been published on the PbNation Youtube Channel
LurkerPB Eigenring Thread

Compatibility - All matrices DM and PM up to 08 model year (Not Rail and SLG). All PMs without internal milling. DM9 through DM11 version is here and awaiting o-rings to be added to the site.

Old Thread: https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3494592

How it works: http://ogrestrength.com/EigenringMusings.pdf

Manual: http://www.lurkerpb.com/manuals/dmmanual.pdf

FAQ:

Quote:
Q:Is this just Lurker's version of a "Top Hat mod"?
A: No! The Eigenring moves along the length of the top hat, so the benefits of a low pressure and high efficiency are realized. The size of the dump chamber changes during the shot, resultsing in the most efficient use of air possible.

Quote:
Q: Does the Eigenring use a spring?
A: No. The Eigenring works on airflow restriction to dynamically create a pressure difference to drive it's motion. While early versions utilized a spring, we discovered it was more efficient to forego it and simply space the ring out with the 3 included o-rings.

Quote:
Q: Does this change my bolt position?
A: Due to the thin spacer provided, the bolt tip does move very minorly forward in the breech. In most cases this is a positive change resulting in less rollback and gentler operation. However, if any issues are identified with the install relating to bolt position, simply add an o-ring around the outer diameter behind the large threads on the back cap. This will prevent the engine from moving too far forward. Additionally, check the bumper sail o-rings, as the bolt may progress too far if they are worn or the LPR is at a high setting.

Quote:
Q: Are these compatible with polished/TechT/Billy Wing bolts?
A: Billy wing and polished stock bolts will work synergistically with the Eigenring due to their ability to lower dwell from the decreased friction. I recommend a polished stock bolt for cost efficiency. Techt bolts with the top hat cut outs will not work, but the ones with a smooth top hat will.

Testimonials:
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post69365138
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...3#post69902153
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...6#post70195816
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...6#post70138426
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post70127038
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...3#post70118503
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...1#post70094341

Note that the efficiency from a 68/45 often approaches 1800-2000 shots!

DM9+ Install vid


Last edited by Lurker27 : 05-02-2012 at 12:59 PM.
Lurker27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Sponsored Links Remove Advertisement
Advertisement
Old 11-27-2011, 10:32 PM #2
Shockwave
 
 
Shockwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Foster City, CA
Shockwave is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
AHHHH need DM9 rings now!!!
__________________
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=417693 <- My Feedback.

Check the join date.
Shockwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 02:45 AM #3
codyclark
MEMPHIS
 
codyclark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Memphis
codyclark plays in the PSP
codyclark plays in the MiLP
Yerp, ready to get my eigenring for a dm11!
__________________
Memphis
codyclark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 04:15 AM #4
insanesaint
 
 
insanesaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
 has been a member for 10 years
Just wondering? In step two under the section of Tuning for your ring, it says to turn out your LPR until gun cycles "inconsistently". Is that a typo? Should it be "consistently". Just wondering, thanks.
insanesaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 09:39 AM #5
Lurker27
Overthinker
 
Lurker27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Annual Supporting Member
Lurker27 is a Mega Moderator
 has been a member for 10 years
Lurker27 has been published on the PbNation Youtube Channel
I tihnk it's worded right - you're trying to see how low you can go before the gun DOESN'T like it, in order to get the lowest possible setting.
Lurker27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 04:33 PM #6
erikguti
 
 
erikguti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
erikguti donated to help Peyton Trent
erikguti owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
erikguti supports Team VICIOUS
erikguti is for the Gunfight
erikguti is for the Gunfight
erikguti owns a Planet Eclipse GSL
hey were to order it??
__________________
erikguti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 08:34 PM #7
Lurker27
Overthinker
 
Lurker27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Annual Supporting Member
Lurker27 is a Mega Moderator
 has been a member for 10 years
Lurker27 has been published on the PbNation Youtube Channel
My signature has my site
Lurker27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 09:39 PM #8
Jams419
AKA - Jackal
 
Jams419's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: 518
 has been a member for 10 years
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse SLS
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse CS1
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse CSR
Definitely interested in the DM9+ rings

Edit: After looking at all the vids I will be ordering one for my DM10 as soon as they are available.
__________________
518th Brigade
Tri-City Legends

Last edited by Jams419 : 11-29-2011 at 11:28 PM.
Jams419 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 09:51 PM #9
erikguti
 
 
erikguti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
erikguti donated to help Peyton Trent
erikguti owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
erikguti supports Team VICIOUS
erikguti is for the Gunfight
erikguti is for the Gunfight
erikguti owns a Planet Eclipse GSL
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurker27 View Post
My signature has my site
LoL a want to order Some barrels and Shocker bolt too
__________________
erikguti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 09:57 PM #10
insanesaint
 
 
insanesaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
 has been a member for 10 years
Hey Lurker, I was just wondering. When you turn out the LPR on the DM, you would be increasing your pressure to the LPR, therefor your consistency should increase not decrease as stated in your guide. Should it be written that your LPR be turned in until inconsistency develops,not out like it is currently written? I hope my confusion is explained to your understanding, I don't want to bother you and if I am mistaken, sorry in advance. really looking forward to your DM9 ring. Not sure if you remember me, but I have been patiently waiting from the very beginning. I knew you would be able to figure something out, you are a great engineer, thanks for your time.
insanesaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 10:29 PM #11
YeloSno
Gen on Facebook
 
YeloSno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Snore*Cal
YeloSno is one of the top 250 posters on PbNation
Dude This Is ****ing Incredible!!!
__________________
YeloSno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 10:54 PM #12
Shockwave
 
 
Shockwave's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Foster City, CA
Shockwave is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurker27 View Post
My signature has my site
Don't see the DM9 rings on the site?
__________________
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hreadid=417693 <- My Feedback.

Check the join date.
Shockwave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2011, 05:43 PM #13
slowimpreza
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: dfw, tx
slowimpreza plays in the PSP
 plays in the NXL
So to take advantage of the ring is it crucial to use the lowest dwell possible? I was tuning it earlier according to your directions but I prefer the way my DM7 shot on 21ms, will I still have gains in efficiency over stock?
slowimpreza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2011, 06:08 PM #14
poopresearch
Dr Nick
 
poopresearch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
 has been a member for 10 years
poopresearch plays in the PSP
poopresearch supports DLX Technology
^^^^

I was wondering the same thing. I LOVE how my PM7 shoots with longish dwell, it's so quiet, smooth, efficient and gentle on paint I'm not inclined to reduce my dwell.

Can anyone speak from experience? I'd imagine that to some degree we would see the same benefit due to the reduced dump chamber volume and the concept behind the ring (maintaining dump chamber pressure longer as it empties) but I'm curious to what degree.
__________________
DBS FLOOD
Formerly of DBS Kidz 2, DBSPaintball.com and DBS Titans
poopresearch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2011, 08:28 PM #15
Jams419
AKA - Jackal
 
Jams419's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: 518
 has been a member for 10 years
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse SLS
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse CS1
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse CSR
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowimpreza View Post
So to take advantage of the ring is it crucial to use the lowest dwell possible? I was tuning it earlier according to your directions but I prefer the way my DM7 shot on 21ms, will I still have gains in efficiency over stock?
https://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post69365138

check out the links in his original post. some very useful info.
__________________
518th Brigade
Tri-City Legends
Jams419 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2011, 01:46 AM #16
poopresearch
Dr Nick
 
poopresearch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
 has been a member for 10 years
poopresearch plays in the PSP
poopresearch supports DLX Technology
Your link isn't working Jams.
__________________
DBS FLOOD
Formerly of DBS Kidz 2, DBSPaintball.com and DBS Titans
poopresearch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2011, 04:57 AM #17
Jams419
AKA - Jackal
 
Jams419's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: 518
 has been a member for 10 years
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse SLS
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse CS1
Jams419 owns a Planet Eclipse CSR
Quote:
Originally Posted by poopresearch View Post
Your link isn't working Jams.
its the top testimonials link in Lurkers original post. In the videos in the link he leaves the dwell and LPR alone.
__________________
518th Brigade
Tri-City Legends
Jams419 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 06:38 PM #18
straptrams91
PunishersPB Tech
 
straptrams91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
 has been a member for 10 years
whats the word on DM9 rings?
straptrams91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 07:13 PM #19
Paint_hore
PBN=SUA syndrome
 
Paint_hore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
 has been a member for 10 years
Any chance of one for a dm12?
Paint_hore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2011, 08:17 PM #20
huynh
Made to HUYNH
 
huynh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: @ Paintball Field.
huynh owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
Quote:
Originally Posted by straptrams91 View Post
whats the word on DM9 rings?
i need my eginring!!!
huynh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2011, 10:48 AM #21
erikguti
 
 
erikguti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
erikguti donated to help Peyton Trent
erikguti owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
erikguti supports Team VICIOUS
erikguti is for the Gunfight
erikguti is for the Gunfight
erikguti owns a Planet Eclipse GSL
Hey Lurker The Eigenring will be for sale in your page this week?
__________________
erikguti is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump