[willdabear]

What is the deal with these things? They were supposed to come out with an alternative to the first strike round that was only supposed to be 10 cents a piece but i havent heard anything about them in months. I know they were tied up in legal issues for a little while but is there any new info?

[gopro_pballer12]

They are not an alternative to first strikes, but more of a "reball" form of them. They are only made for target practice and hold no paint.

[splatthetick]

So...varmit shells? Sketchy at best...

[willdabear]

Im not talking about the rubber shaped projectiles. They are supposed to be making an actual paint filled shaped projectile.

[Tecnophobia]

yes they are and they won against tiberius in court last i heard and then it went all quiet. And its not RAP4 that has the name on it its OmarMacyWorks ( i think) i think you can find it on FB

[Paper_Cut]

I've heard Rap4's quality is hit-or-miss at best. Someone care to confirm or deny?

[Narf]

I purchased a blackbird from rap4, turned out to be a plain old tac8.

I purchased a camo backpack with molle for my rockets, came as a school backpack with 2 strips sewn on as "molle"

so they played the bait and switch on me twice, I will not patronize them ever again

p.s. yes I think their quality is hit or miss

[Punisher068]

Mostly miss for CRAP 4 stuff,I bought a RAM shotgun that never worked,most if not all their markers that have come to our field are plagued with problems
I have one of their older tac vest,only thing I'd recommend from them,though when I bought it it was advertised on their website for a good deal,when I went in to their store they wanted twice as much!Managed to work out a deal with them to split the difference.Don't bother asking any tech questions or repairs,their in store techs were clueless

[Paper_Cut]

Which is kind of disappointing because they have some really nifty looking things.

[willdabear]

Were getting a little off topic i think. I agree that their stuff has issues, im currently getting my mkp-II to work. But for now i just want info on the shaped projectiles

[Assassin565]

Yes I've had my fair share of hit and miss,sadly having both of which accure on the same product I bought from them,regardless,Omar Marceey is the head of the RD of Rap4 that is designing the new shaped projectiles. Now given the time he has spent with Rap4 with developing the 468 and d-mags, they are probably actually trying to buckle down and design this right. Sure there will be flaws(alas is the curse of the Rap4 brand) but they seem to have been able to do what they wanted with d-mags, make a low cost magazine to shoot both regulare paint and shaped projectiles,though I've found a problem within the design myself,over all it's a step up from the problems that plagued their first magazines. So though I despise them and curse their name any time I have a failure with their product, wait and see when new products by rap4 come out and see how well they work for others before you invest in it yourself. First strike rounds are still not cheap,and if we the customers rush them to get a cheaper shape projectile out faster,we will suffer the curse,so give it time.

[ECHO CHARLIE]

RAP4 has a lot of crappy stuff they by from other companies, print their name on it, and sell it for 3 times it's original price. FOR EXAMPLE:

Normal Price : http://www.opticsplanet.com/ncstar-t...131220163312:s

RAP4 Price : http://www.rap4.com/store/paintball/...4rcvaaovgvf9b1

How do you guys like that?

Anyways... as far as shaped projectiles go, this is what ive gathered from Omar Macy. He wants to make these shaped projectiles that look pretty sweet. You can find pictures of the plans on Omar Macy's and Macy Works' Facebook pages. There were plans for two different grade rounds. One for recreation and one for competitions and what not. Obviously, Omar was not the only brave soul to challenge Tiberius Arms and there was a big lawsuit from Tiberius aimed at multiple parties, Omar being one. As far as I'm aware, Tiberius dropped Omar from the lawsuit, but I don't know about the others. From that point on I haven't heard any news on them. RAP4 doesn't often refer to their markers as First Strike compatible, but instead as Shaped Projectile compatible. Also, RAP4 sells "Shaped Projectile Solid" in red and clear. These are basically solid First Strike rounds used for marker testing. Don't buy them though. They suck, I cycled them through my 468 and the fins dig into my DMag, and after being shot the fins generally break from hitting things, or just from the bolt hitting it (which also gets plastic in your gun). http://www.rap4.com/store/paintball/?cPath=23_1840_2308&osCsid=to0d9gsv115su83si5fhd51 qa0

[Flatliner68]

I can't speak to peoples experiences with RAP4 in the pre-Omar Macy days, no doubt, based on the multitude of complaints out there they have had major issues in the past. With that said, having met Omar and worked with the company a little in the recent past, I would say it is a new game today.

As for an alternative to the solid gold strike rounds, I am anxious to at least test an alternative. Due to the "D-Mag", it wouldn't suprise me if the next thing we hear is a sales have begun announcement...