[The Abstract]

Christianity is liberal in regards to welfare but conservative socially. That's about it

[Vit Beeyer (Banned)]

Not really.

[The Abstract]

Sorry, it encourages voluntary charity. Hopefully that cleared up your issue that you failed to elaborate on.

[Vit Beeyer (Banned)]

I would rather not clear up a fundamental misunderstanding of left and right. It takes a lot of typing. You're still wrong,

i.e., supporting charity is a social value. You said christians are socially conservative. Yet you place support for charity on the left or liberal side of the spectrum, away from the social conservatism. Why?

[LOL Renegade]

Originally Posted by The Abstract

Sorry, it encourages voluntary charity. Hopefully that cleared up your issue that you failed to elaborate on.

Voluntary charity is conservative. Forcing people to give things up and slow themselves down for others is not.

[The Abstract]

No, you can't say I'm wrong and then fail to explain yourself. That's what trolls do. If you don't want to type, don't post.

I'm essentially grouping charity in the same category as welfare. Christianity stresses the helping of poor, which the liberals also do but through mandatory taxes and social programs.

[Vit Beeyer (Banned)]

Originally Posted by The Abstract

No, you can't say I'm wrong and then fail to explain yourself. That's what trolls do. If you don't want to type, don't post.

I'm essentially grouping charity in the same category as welfare. Christianity stresses the helping of poor, which the liberals also do but through mandatory taxes and social programs.

But why is altruistic behavior not conservative?

Sorry but this bull**** dichotomy is more trolling than anything I did.

[The Abstract]

It is when it's voluntary. Now I understand why every thread you post in goes to ****. You play the semantics game when you know damn well what I'm talking about because you have nothing meaningful to say. Don't you feel lonely when everyone calls you a troll but yourself?

[Vit Beeyer (Banned)]

Lol k. The low standards yall hold yourselves too is silly.

Why isn't altruistic government behavior not conservative? Please answer that. Because most conservative philosophers would tell you you're wrong.

[LOL Renegade]

Originally Posted by Vit Beeyer

Why isn't altruistic government behavior not conservative? Please answer that. Because most conservative philosophers would tell you you're wrong.

It's because people have pre-conceived notions that conservative are heartless and wouldn't support charity since those less fortunate got their through their own faults.

In reality, this isn't the case at all. When you have to force people to help other via entitlement programs, the help loses its value.

[Vit Beeyer (Banned)]

That and most conservatives support a government that provides a baseline quality of life, ala the welfare state. They just want an altruistic culture to back up the altruistic politics.

[barrel roll]

What is being described as liberalism here, is "progressivism"... which is another political set of philosophies bundled up under a new non threatening name.

What is being called conservatism in here... isn't.

Your altruism is our downfall.

[The Abstract]

Originally Posted by Vit Beeyer

Lol k. The low standards yall hold yourselves too is silly.

Why isn't altruistic government behavior not conservative? Please answer that. Because most conservative philosophers would tell you you're wrong.

Originally Posted by The Abstract

It is when it's voluntary.

Do you read or just troll?

[Vit Beeyer (Banned)]

Originally Posted by The Abstract

Do you read or just troll?

Lol seriously? First I asked why is altruistic behavior not conservative. You then said it is when it's voluntary, meaning voluntary altruistic behavior is conservative but nothing forced, i.e. redistribution of wealth by the state, welfare state programs, etc. because the state is a coercive entity.

Then I asked why is altruistic government behavior not conservative. I specified government behavior, i.e. non-voluntary.

Do you read sir?

Originally Posted by The Abstract

I'm essentially grouping charity in the same category as welfare. Christianity stresses the helping of poor, which the liberals also do but through mandatory taxes and social programs.

That's a quote from you earlier in this thread. You present a dichotomy between conservative, voluntary charity and liberal mandatory taxes and social programs. And as you'll see in the post from me that you quoted I asked why isn't altruistic government behavior conservative, because in the above quote you clearly say it is liberal.

[Umami]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/op...R_AP_LO_MST_FB

[Iamamartianchurch]

Not surprising. Christians, like the religion they follow, are mostly liberal, but not that liberal. Many still uphold traditional views, much like the bible does. What sets Christians apart from their liberal brethren is the fact that while they believe in equality before god and agape(politically read as tolerance) they believe that there is an inherent order which does set a standard to human beings. Liberals believe in no such standards as they are oppressive in their view and thus restricts autonomy. It is probably more accurate to say that anything which restricts autonomy in liberalism is oppressive. Which is why Christianity is despised in modern liberal discourse. Conversely Christians despise a state of "no standards" which is a rejection of order and more importantly, the highest order which they have named God. It is logical that this experiment by the diocese would fail.

[barrel roll]

Today, by contrast, the leaders of the Episcopal Church and similar bodies often don’t seem to be offering anything you can’t already get from a purely secular liberalism. Which suggests that per haps they should pause, amid their frantic renovations, and consider not just what they would change about historic Christianity, but what they would defend and offer uncompromisingly to the world.

Absent such a reconsideration, their fate is nearly certain: they will change, and change, and die.

With a whimper.

[Paper_Cut]

There is no social justice and egalitarianism in the Bible. If you are under the delusion that reading the Bible will make you a better human being then you need to actually read the Bible.

[vijil]

Have you read it?

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by vijil

Have you read it?

He's not worth your time. Unless you want to get bombarded with a bunch of internet atheist rhetoric, be my guest.

[vijil]

fair enough

... what's with every second person in this thread getting banned all of a sudden