[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by 239baller

i ment how will the orings be keped in place.... (ill check the updated pic)

theyre kept in place with o-ring grooves.

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by TheIdeaGuy

It has to fight against the continuous flow from the HP port.
Again, Pressure is not equal to volume.
Think of it this way, if you had 100psi in a 10 CI cylinder with a .25 inch outlet would it have the same force as a 100 CI cylinder with 10PSI? Absolutely not, thus volume and pressure are two completely separate equations it a design. You need a certain amount of volume to sustain flow while the pressure is the force to accelerate a ball properly.

I am not trying to dog on your idea, I think its really cool and simple and I like that. What I am trying to do is help you finesse it so it works exceptionally well instead of just being functional.

I believe you said:
"So, once again, I'm only asking for advice if anyone see's any errors in the drawing."
Even if you hollow out the back part (I am assuming your just using a stock TechT bolt) You still have the same amount of forward force and that would make me nervous. The reason as I tried to explain (poorly I might add ) that the face of the hollowed out section is still exposed to the high pressure side.
Think about it, 16grams (I think?) getting hit with 50 lbs of forward force is scary and probably one of the reasons DYE never made a design like that.

Not to mention I think it will be allot more efficient if you cap that HP port...

i get what your saying, but i highly dought that it's that much of a concern considering a bolt like that is made and out on the shelves, and nothing has gone wrong with it(i assume). also, i understand that the pressure is not equal to volume. I think i misread one of your posts on that. But, since the dump chamber is a pretty low pressure(compared to something like a pm5), it's really not that hard to push the bolt to the back position, ecspecially after the dump chamber is emptied after a shot(yes, i understand that the dump chamber refills very quickly). Also, the efficiency isn't really a problem since the dwell is so low. I COULD find a way to seal the hp input, but i don't really think it's all that necessary.

[TheIdeaGuy]

I think you will find that a pod or two is worth the trouble.

[paintballa8224]

Being a blow forward and all, you're kinda turning your Matrix into an E-Mag/Freestyle(sorry for the oversimplification of it).

There's an animation of a freestyle here if that might help you out at all. Although, it seems like you've already got that part figured out. If I were you I'd pick up a 2k3 or earlier BKO asa/lpr and rig that up. You'd have to block the air hole taht exists and redrill another. To get the air from the reg/asa to the rear of the marker mayeb use macroline and a few fittings? That idea may interfere with your ability to use an ultralite frame.

I can't tell from the pic how you plan to bring HP air from the reg to the rear of the marker if you're chopping the bottom off. I am not familiar with Matrices so there's probably something already thought up.

[239baller]

Originally Posted by shockrshootr23

theyre kept in place with o-ring grooves.

duh, but where are they? and where is the bolt guied being heald from

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by 239baller

duh, but where are they? and where is the bolt guied being heald from

umm.. the o-rings are all the red dots. the bolt guide here is the top hat, and the top hat is connected to the back cap, which is screwed into the gun.

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by TheIdeaGuy

I think you will find that a pod or two is worth the trouble.

well if efficiency ends up being a problem i'll fix it by modding the bolt and adding a stem to it.

[239baller]

ohh, allright now i got it... i guess i was sorta blind for a few min lol

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by 239baller

ohh, allright now i got it... i guess i was sorta blind for a few min lol

lol np

[paintballer50505]

i think the stem is necessary because i think you would need to be running a really high lpr pressure to get the bolt back if the dump chamber is being refilled with air while the bolt is still open. might keep it forced open.

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by paintballer50505

i think the stem is necessary because i think you would need to be running a really high lpr pressure to get the bolt back if the dump chamber is being refilled with air while the bolt is still open. might keep it forced open.

Yes, but I don't think it is that big of a problem right now. I mean, this idea isn't from scratch, its based off of an already proven bolt system. If it requires a high lpr pressure, then i will mod it to have a stem.

[Thorpydo]

Doesn't TechT already make a bolt like this for the matrix? Minus the top had mod.

[TheIdeaGuy]

Originally Posted by Thorpydo

Doesn't TechT already make a bolt like this for the matrix? Minus the top had mod.

Yea, I was saying that earlier. I don't like the TechT bolt for obvious reasons... Its like, "Look I whacked the end of the bolt off and it still works!" It may be lighter but I still don't like the fact that the high pressure side just bleeds off into atmosphere while the bolt is in its forward position. If you wanted to do something really kickass you could plug the hole in the rear cap and redirect the gas there... That might save you some inches at least.

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by Thorpydo

Doesn't TechT already make a bolt like this for the matrix? Minus the top had mod.

yeah. im using a techt bolt. The whole point of this is to eliminate the beer can so the gun is much skinnier and lighter. And The Idea Guy, can you explain further on the redirect the gas thing?

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by TheIdeaGuy

It may be lighter but I still don't like the fact that the high pressure side just bleeds off into atmosphere while the bolt is in its forward position.

I still don't get what you mean by high pressure side. are you just talking about the dump chamber? If so the stock shocker bolt system does the same thing. Nothing seals the HE input when it's forward. I don't see anything here thats at a very high pressure compared to other guns. That is, unless your talking about how much force is on the bolt.

[Thorpydo]

The whole point of this is to eliminate the beer can so the gun is much skinnier and lighter.

I see... Do you have a way to machine a new body?

Why not come up with something completely new if your going to go the distance to make a new body.

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by Thorpydo

I see... Do you have a way to machine a new body?

Why not come up with something completely new if your going to go the distance to make a new body.

I wish i had the right tools to do the job. But i can look around and see who can make me a body. Also, why would i need to make something completely new when the matrix is already perfect?? IMO, it's spool valves FTW

[TheIdeaGuy]

What I am suggesting is to build basically a new marker, using something like a PMR would probably be a good place to start, at least for the sake of explanation. Basically instead of using a rear section on the sail like in a PM7 or DM7, rerout the gas to behind the "plunger" or "tail" or whatever you want to call the little stop that plugs the high pressure inlet. Run it just like a dm7 system but using the space behind the bolt instead of making the bolt longer.

[shockrshootr23 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by TheIdeaGuy

What I am suggesting is to build basically a new marker, using something like a PMR would probably be a good place to start, at least for the sake of explanation. Basically instead of using a rear section on the sail like in a PM7 or DM7, rerout the gas to behind the "plunger" or "tail" or whatever you want to call the little stop that plugs the high pressure inlet. Run it just like a dm7 system but using the space behind the bolt instead of making the bolt longer.

ahh i see. I'll look into that also.

[TheIdeaGuy]

Only problem with this approach is that there is allot of space between the front and rear of the marker... Your bright, you should be able to work around it

[shockrshootr24]

ok people for some reason i got banned for feedback fraud supposedly when i didn't do anything so everyone please remember that this is my new account.