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Old 03-28-2005, 09:11 PM #1
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THE *OFFICIAL* Blue Bolt Thread

Hey guys, thanks for the interest in the blue bolt. We are confident that you will be completely satisfied in the product and will see that it outperforms everything currently on the market.

Now, for some clearing up on the confusion....

Compatibility

IF- your marker is rear-cocking and takes spyder bolts, IT WILL FIT. PERIOD. You will need an autockocker-cocking rod instead of the stock cocking-rod. This is done so you can do further customization.

IF- you have a Vision style marker: You will need: BLUE BOLT + VISION COCKING ADAPTER. The adapters are not available yet, but will be soon. For now, you will have to rig something up.

IF- you have a Kingman-style top-cocking marker: You will need: BLUE BOLT + TOP COCKING ADAPTER. These adapters are also not available yet, but will be soon.

IF- you have a timmy: They will only fit pre-2k4 models. You will need: BLUE BOLT + TOP-COCKING PULL PIN. You can use one you already have or purchase one from us, also not available yet.

A quick list of markers and their cocking type:

Rear Cocking Type:
-Rodeo
-Shutter
-Xtra
-Aggressor
-TL/TL+
-E-99
-Flash

Offset Cocking Type:
-TL-X
-Fenix
-Pilot
-Electra
-AMG

Vision Cocking Type:
-Victor
-Imagine
-Esprit


Features

Ultra light weight (15 grams)
Ultra high flow
Self lubricating
Material does not swell
Flat face reduces chance for a chop, and secures ball better in the breech
Third oring for increased efficiency and less blowback
Reduced recoil due to decreased weight in the cocking assembly



FAQ

Do I need to lubricate the orings on the bolt, since the material is self-lubricating?
YES! The *material* is self lubricating, however the orings are NOT. Your orings should always be nicely lubricated for best performance.


Do I need to buy a cocking rod?
Yes. The blue bolt is threaded for Autococker cocking rods, so your stock bolt's rod will not fit. We feel that this is a much better option since you have a very wide variety of cocking rods to set your marker up with.



I hope this cleared up a lot of your questions, I know many of you were confused. About the current QC issue, everything has been fixed and we do have a limited amount in stock right now. We will be recieving the rest in a week.
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:14 PM #2
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Are you guys ever going to have cocking rods on your site so you can just add it to the order?
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Maybe in the future, we are mostly just going to have the different adapters to fit the assorted kingman markers for the time being.
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Simplicity. I love it. Wish I could afford one for my timmy
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:21 PM #5
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Ill cock your rod!

Why not just use a short cocking rod that you bought at a store like.. .Home Depot! just a 1 inch metal bar for 10-32 thread? (for the imagine owners...)
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yes, Linkdeads point is good. a simple 1" long 10-32 threaded bar will work for a vision cocking setup (along with some sort of knob, or swap a knob from an autococker cocking rod). Vision cocking and rear cocking will be the first ones released, the special "offset side/top cocking spyder" adapter will be released after.
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The AMG is side cocking, as is the Electra. They wouldn't work with a Vizion style bolt unless you enlarged the cocking slot in the body. There's no way to get a finger in that tiny slot. I imagine that they'll either need a different cocking adapter, or modification to the body to work.
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The AMG is side cocking, as is the Electra. They wouldn't work with a Vizion style bolt unless you enlarged the cocking slot in the body. There's no way to get a finger in that tiny slot. I imagine that they'll either need a different cocking adapter, or modification to the body to work.

Dude, what are you talking about?
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Look at an AMG. Now look at an Electra. Now look at an Imagine. They're different. The first two have a thin slot (on the left on an AMG, on the right on an Electra) for the cocking pin. That is side cocking. The Imagine has a big hole in the body that goes through both sides. That is Vizion cocking. It's not that hard...
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The adapter that we will use, you will be able to operate with one finger only. If not, then we will make 2.
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Look at an AMG. Now look at an Electra. Now look at an Imagine. They're different. The first two have a thin slot (on the left on an AMG, on the right on an Electra) for the cocking pin. That is side cocking. The Imagine has a big hole in the body that goes through both sides. That is Vizion cocking. It's not that hard...

Reread what you wrote. You made no sense whatsoever. I now see what you are talking about because I spent three minutes rereading what you typed. (You typed completely out of context).

Yes, you need an adapter so that you can use the AMG/Electra. Noone ever said to use the vision cocking for the AMG/Electra. soccerdude didn't. Noone did.

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Re: THE *OFFICIAL* Blue Bolt Thread

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IF- you have a Vision (AMG, Imagine, etc) style marker: You will need: BLUE BOLT + VISION COCKING ADAPTER. The adapters are not available yet, but will be soon. For now, you will have to rig something up.

IF- you have an Electra, Primal, or other Kingman-style top-cocking[/b] marker: You will need: BLUE BOLT + TOP COCKING ADAPTER. These adapters are also not available yet, but will be soon.
He grouped the markers in the wrong category and suggested cocking systems that wouldn't work. I simply pointed out that fact. It is not I who needs to reread posts.




EDIT: Soccerdude, the Electra isn't top-cocking so it needs to be moved to a different group.
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I'm sure soccerdude meant to say that the AMG also fits in with the electra and the other offset top/side cocking types. Vision cocking is wide slot through both sides. The electra is offset side cocking, which uses the same cocking adapter as offset top cocking. sorry for any confusion.
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Oh crap, sorry about that. I feel like a ****head.

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IF- you have a timmy: They will only fit pre-2k4 models. You will need: BLUE BOLT + TOP-COCKING PULL PIN. You can use one you already have or purchase one from us, also not available yet.
So, if I understand you correctly, the Timmy Blue Bolt comes with the spring, ball bearing, and set screw already installed? If this is the case, it will fit my Dragun T1, correct?
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It's a rather cursory thing to point out. If someone can't figure what cocking system they use, they should reconsider ever touching anything that shoots a projectile at a high velocity.

half-step, when the full timmy kit is ready, you should be ok. And if you have your spring, screw and bearing from a timmy style bolt, such as the TES's, you should be ok too, but don't even think about quoting me on that.
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To add to that, original side cocking spyders cock on the striker, not on the bolt. kingman reinvented their sidecocking and moved it to the back, not in line with the striker-bolt connecting pin. We call this "offset cocking".

A quick list of cocking type according to ACP Blue Bolt and Adapters:

Rear Cocking Type:
-Rodeo
-Shutter
-Xtra
-Aggressor
-TL/TL+
-E-99
-Flash

Offset Cocking Type:
-TL-X
-Fenix
-Pilot
-Electra
-AMG

Vision Cocking Type:
-Victor
-Imagine
-Esprit

Any older spyder not on the list which is side cocking needs NO cocking component, just a regular Blue Bolt.

EDIT: also, TES type pins arent normal. they connect to the striker at 3/16", not 1/4" like normal pins. in those cases, you would need to use the stock pin in a blue bolt with the screw-spring-ball included.

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you need to mention something about if people have modded their gun to use timmy top cocking thingers, i know alot of people have using a hacksaw and dremel and such.

I know what kind i need, just thought you should mention it
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Re: THE *OFFICIAL* Blue Bolt Thread

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About the current QC issue, everything has been fixed and we do have a limited amount in stock right now. We will be recieving the rest in a week.
So, does this mean that APC has shipped inspected and approved product to those who have pre-ordered the Blue Bolt?

I sure hope so, as I'd like to actually see some independent reviews of the 'final product'. With all the hype, I'll be very interested to see if this thing is really significantly 'better' than any of the other products on the market.

Bolt mass is only one of the ways to measure a bolt. Sealing, gas flow and 'real world performance' are all important as well, and to date, we really don't have any information on these very important aspects of bolt performance.

It should be interesting to hear the performance data and reviews.
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There are a few guys here that have had their blue bolts for a while. E99_curt has one I believe and is VERY happy with it.
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hey Soccerdude if i were to Buy this cocking rod would it work with the Blue bolt i just want to make sure im not buying the wrong thing.

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