[Little_PB_Newb]

Alright, this thread is not a troll thread and I don't want any flaming, but it seems to me that I've come across more and more woods/scenario players who are quick to tell me that they don't like me, just because I'm a speedballer and my gear reflects that. I wouldn't make this thread if it was just one or 2, but around here it's the majority.

For instance, there was one guy who was the son of the captain of a scenario team up here in canada that played in a League called CSPO who would verbally abuse us as we shared the pits with them. He would make fun of our "alien toy" markers and hoppers and tell us to stop playing dress up. Once he even shot over the net at us while we were playing. He was also at my good friend's outdoor woodsball field and when his brother bought a g3 he shot him twice in the nuts because of it and said "eat it speedballer" the kid was 8.

That was an extreme example, but the few times I've been to a woodsball field I've had players refuse to play with me, refs refuse to help me out (one didnt give me a chrono when I asked for it), and I've had my gearbag set on fire.

Is there some ongoing battle that someone forgot to tell me about?

[10-shot kid]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3253380&page=2

quote from there that covers it pretty good,

"This is a good point, especially for players who are primarily tournament players. There are a few things that we learn that are considered OK on our side of the game that don't necessarily fly in the scenario/big game format. A-Number 1 on that list is that you make the ref come and get you. In a tournament you want to make the ref check/pull you on almost all in-obvious hits. As has been mentioned, it buys you a little extra time, and it also stops you from needlessly calling out on an unseen bounce. I have been on teams that have lost games and missed out on moving forward in tournaments because some knuckle head didn't call for a paint check and just got up and left when he felt a hit that bounced.

Another huge one for us is the "shoot them til their shot" rule. If you get head to head with a guy in a run down or bunkering; make sure he gets hit. The hope being that the ref is unable to determine who was hit first and a mutual is called. Shady? Yes. Accepted? Also yes.

Like anything that you do a lot, these practices eventually become habits, and it can be HARD to stop doing them, even when you know better. You get used to having a ref in your back pocket, you get used to shooting a guy til you know he's hit, you get used to shooting first and paint-checking later. I played at a field once where on a large spool field we were using a bunker tap rule to protect the new players, I tried to 'tap out' a kid and got the crap bunkered out of me. Normally I would've been infuriated, but the more I thought about it the more it occurred to me that he had done exactly what his job was according to the way he learned to play paintball. I'd have done the same thing.

For the player who doesn't primarily play scenario ball it can be tough to shake the habits we've learned elsewhere. That is not meant to atone for out-right cheating/wiping which is inexcusable; however, in my mind it would explain some of the behavior you guys are talking about." (coenen)

Despite what Magazine X told you it's not all the same game. Some people have issues reacting to that.

[lilmatt87]

Try new fields or a new area to live in they seem like rectums where you play. I just don,t see what it's all about but thats just me. What I have seen is most of the time is you get what you give . I do not mean that this is cut and dry across the board nor do I infer it is or has anything to do with you it may be that the woods guys where you live are just dicks. Most any of the stuff your talking about where I play would not be allowed to have happened. I blame it on the field staff for not keeping the players under control and I blame the their team Cpt's for not enforcing better sportsmanship . That sportsmanship part is a big thing in woodsball or at least it is around here!

[hiddenphantom]

Little PB Newb, I understand what you mean. My first Scenario was in VA and i thought I was going to a speedball field so I dressed accordingly. So, as the only guy dressed in a JT speedball jersey I was instantly a target. I was accused of everything under the sun and had the field store door slammed in my face by the owner. At the end of the day talking to my general I found out that they thought I was cheating bc the field owners son thought he got me as I bugged out of an area then ambushed him later. When I showed them the evidance that I was shot 3 times that day non in the area that he said he got me the owner aplogized. That game convinced me to not play paintball for 18 months. As many people in this forum have said before I went to another field and had great times.

[Little_PB_Newb]

i have no intention of ever going to another woodsball field, my experiences have detered me and made it so I really cannot have fun playing that format...I just want to know if there's really anything us speedballers have done that's so wrong.

[13thFreak]

what your talking about is just like racism except its speed vs woods.
and just so you know that isnt the case everywhere. the 13th for example do everything so we dont need to choose one specific style. if we hate anyone its cause they're dicks and have given us reason to have issues.

there's those who hate just to hate
there's those who hate cause others hate
there's those who hate cause they're taught to hate
there's those who hate cause they're bored
on the flip side
there's those who dont cause they dont care if you are or arent
there's those who dont cause we have better things to do
there's those who know people are individuals and the group doesnt represent the individual.

sounds like you had a bad experience and should really give another place a chance to show you they're/were not all the same. and for the record me and mine wouldnt tolerate that guy and his shiznit EVER! ignorance is a disease no well never get rid of it.

[Darthmag99]

Originally Posted by Little_PB_Newb

i have no intention of ever going to another woodsball field, my experiences have detered me and made it so I really cannot have fun playing that format...I just want to know if there's really anything us speedballers have done that's so wrong.

I don't know where your playing paintball at, but I can tell you that these stories are not accepted practice by any scenario team, at least not where I come from. I know many players that play in both types of play, and the skills learned in one style can definitely help the other.

Don't count scenario play out, until you have tried it on a national venue, and not just a local field.

It sounds to me like in your area, the player division is very strong. Try playing somewhere the lines are a little more blurred between the two styles of play.

[Little_PB_Newb]

K, I've had these experiences at:

A totally woodsball oriented field, huge. Had the gearbag fire and ignoring problems.

My speedball field, when they "adopted" a CSPO team that god tired of the above field. Had the shooting over the net and verbal abuse issues.

And my buddies field, but he bans anyone who causes problems. I ref at my buddies field but these experiences have given me a very negative view on organized scenario and woodsball teams.

I also forgot to mention a time when I was helping my field by going out to collect forgotten barrel bags, brightly colored so I wouldnt be shot by the woodsball guys, and a guy popped out from behind a log bunker, looked right at me, aimed at my crotch and shot, then shot my mask so I couldn't see and I fell into stinging nettle.

So, this war is just local?

[Mephysteaux]

I've never heard of anyone being targeted on field for being a speedballer, maybe it is just a local thing. Although, I think there is some degree of resentment that can be found in most places. I was trying to get my last scenario team to upgrade from T shirts to jerseys, and the response I almost always got was "No, we're not getting jerseys because only speedball douches wear jerseys." With a lot of people, if they've had bad experiences with speedballers in the past I can maybe understand that attitude, but it might just be the distorted mindset of speedball that some people who haven't played it have, that speedball is a game of having the most expensive gun, being able to dump a case of paint in 3 minutes, and wiping if it's to your advantage.

[noah harper]

Originally Posted by Little_PB_Newb

I just want to know if there's really anything us speedballers have done that's so wrong.

heh....

[Fubarius]

Originally Posted by Little_PB_Newb

i have no intention of ever going to another woodsball field, my experiences have detered me and made it so I really cannot have fun playing that format...I just want to know if there's really anything us speedballers have done that's so wrong.

Just about everything you've described (except for the gearbag thing, that's just messed up) I've seen happen the opposite way at some point. At a field I was working at where we rotated between fields I've seen so called "speedballers" (which don't exist, and neither do woodsballers, there's just paintballers, if everyone remembered that we wouldn't have this problem) sit by them selves at the staging area instead of playing a few games of woodsball, acting as if the very idea was somehow beneath them. I've seen sponsored players disrupting games played by paying customers by shooting over the net. You might say that type of attitude isn't 'normal' for a speedballer, but it only takes one to give all a bad name.

Here's an experiment to try. Show up for tournament "practice" at some field wearing camo BDU's and shooting a mil-sim'ed Tippmann and see if you're treated differently.

[Little_PB_Newb]

Im sure I wont be targeted any more than a smartass remark. There is a big difference between speedballers and woodballers. Totally different interests and mentalities. Just like we're all north americans but I'm a canadian, and you're an american.

[Fubarius]

Originally Posted by Little_PB_Newb

Im sure I wont be targeted any more than a smartass remark.

Often that's all it takes to start the ball rolling.

There is a big difference between speedballers and woodballers. Totally different interests and mentalities.

Nope, merely a few minor differences in preference. The more you accept it, the less friction you'll notice between the two supposed groups. The more you stress the differences, the more you show those with other preferences that you're not a 'real' paintballer, at least to them. So why should they accept you?

[ViperScenarios]

Can't say I've heard of that, or would tolerate it, at any of my events. There are players shooting everything from Tippmanns to markers that would probably make you (or a lot of speedballers) jealous.

Check these galleries of photos of players at my events by different photographers:

Paintball Photograhy dot com (Look for the Viper event galleries like Living Legends, Road Warriors, etc

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gather_...7622089078369/

http://www.reflexphotography.net/Pai...9_LYUF7#P-6-20

http://www.flickr.com/photos/viperpa...7620751435008/

You'll see pics of guys in colorful Jerseys with Luxes and Timmies and Closers and all sorts of "speedball" markers right next to guys in camo with Tippmanns, BTs, and other "woodsball" markers.

You'll also see pics of our annual "Living Legends" event on those sites and others. You'll see tournament legends like Mike Paxson and Rocky Cagnoni out there playing right next to "woodsballers" and scenario players. No issues. All fun.

So I would have to agree with what others have said. You need to get out and play some more organized, nationally recognized events before you decide that everyone hates you because you're a "speedballer." If you have already decided we all hate you I suppose that is your prerogative. However, if you wish to reach an intelligent and informed conclusion you might consider attending Living Legends 3. Not only will it change your mind, but you will also get to meet some players that you probably really admire.

[HeartlessJersey]

The idea of a speedballer complaining about woods people is completely foreign to me. I catch flack all the time from tournament players about going into the woods and sitting around for hours doing nothing and playing war - that what I do isn't a sport.

You might be catching a lot of heat from people who were hazed by speedballers in their own past. You know what they say about the bullied becoming the bullies...

[Frenchie13th]

Its rare, but Ten Shot hit the nail on the head by quoting that other thread. From VA to CT and every other state and field I've played I've never seen the kind of problems you've encountered and I play in full Eclipse gear nearly every game with a bright pink ego.

Many of the scenario based organized teams in our area (PA,NJ,CT,VA,MD) wear jerseys and speedball pants and shoot high end electros. There are also other teams that choose to go mil-sim and shoot upgraded and modded tippmans and BT's with full battle dress or camos. I myself used to play for the 13th Legionnaires and would show up to scenarios, big games, tac tournaments, pistol/pump games and speedball games in the safe outfit: jersey, sponsor pants, and ego in hand.

In our area the organized teams are almost expected to wear custom jerseys designating that they aren't just a back-yard bunch of friends anymore but have moved up into the big time.

The only times I have had trouble with folks that look like "speedballers", aka -bright colored non-customized jersesy, cleats, pants and gun to match- is when they are really noobs and don't know the rules and ropes of the scnenario and come in and cant shoot straight, dont listen (even when I'm in command) and hinder the game.

Find a new field or come down to our stomping grounds in the states if you want to try it again. Scenarios can be a lot of fun and the skills you learn in tournie play help in any situation, as long as you remember the ropes and rules of the scenario. If you make it down to the states contact me, I'll show you a few good fields.

[ChopsTSSOC]

remind me to verbally harass you Frenchie at Fallout over your pink space gun... I'm liable to forget that sort of thing...

[Jonestowntea]

Originally Posted by Frenchie13th

Its rare, but Ten Shot hit the nail on the head by quoting that other thread. From VA to CT and every other state and field I've played I've never seen the kind of problems you've encountered and I play in full Eclipse gear nearly every game with a bright pink ego.

Many of the scenario based organized teams in our area (PA,NJ,CT,VA,MD) wear jerseys and speedball pants and shoot high end electros. There are also other teams that choose to go mil-sim and shoot upgraded and modded tippmans and BT's with full battle dress or camos. I myself used to play for the 13th Legionnaires and would show up to scenarios, big games, tac tournaments, pistol/pump games and speedball games in the safe outfit: jersey, sponsor pants, and ego in hand.

In our area the organized teams are almost expected to wear custom jerseys designating that they aren't just a back-yard bunch of friends anymore but have moved up into the big time.

The only times I have had trouble with folks that look like "speedballers", aka -bright colored non-customized jersesy, cleats, pants and gun to match- is when they are really noobs and don't know the rules and ropes of the scnenario and come in and cant shoot straight, dont listen (even when I'm in command) and hinder the game.

Find a new field or come down to our stomping grounds in the states if you want to try it again. Scenarios can be a lot of fun and the skills you learn in tournie play help in any situation, as long as you remember the ropes and rules of the scenario. If you make it down to the states contact me, I'll show you a few good fields.

Frenchie is right bro its just flat out noobs that mommy and daddy dumped a few grand with spec ops for them... Many scenario teams could be taken as speedball team's 13th BIT'M Blues Crew Pub Crawling Voodoo Rangarock all use "tourny" gear and guns but, come out and roll through the woods with the best of'em... My team shoots Angels and BT's thats going from one extrem to the other... Its not about the gear its about the sport to many people are hung up on being a speedballer or woodsballer me I play paintball and I'm happy with that sounds like you need to head down to PA feilds like EMR LVP and Poco to play with real scenario teams...

[BarneyNY]

Originally Posted by ChopsTSSOC

remind me to verbally harass you Frenchie at Fallout over your pink space gun... I'm liable to forget that sort of thing...

What's wrong with Pink. You don't like Purple either. lol

[BarneyNY]

Originally Posted by Jonestowntea

Frenchie is right bro its just flat out noobs that mommy and daddy dumped a few grand with spec ops for them... Many scenario teams could be taken as speedball team's 13th BIT'M Blues Crew Pub Crawling Voodoo Rangarock all use "tourny" gear and guns but, come out and roll through the woods with the best of'em... My team shoots Angels and BT's thats going from one extrem to the other... Its not about the gear its about the sport to many people are hung up on being a speedballer or woodsballer me I play paintball and I'm happy with that sounds like you need to head down to PA feilds like EMR LVP and Poco to play with real scenario teams...

May as well include me. I'm all about Scenario and sponsored but I wear all Speedball gear (Purple). Except for my Tact Vest over the Jersey.

[Fallenwings]

dont diss cspo.