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Old 11-04-2009, 11:02 AM
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Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/03...right-tre.html
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The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to "national security" concerns, has leaked. It's bad. It says:

* * That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.

* * That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family could be denied to the internet -- and hence to civic participation, health information, education, communications, and their means of earning a living -- if one member is accused of copyright infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.

* * That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.

* * Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:47 AM
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instead of trying to find a way of regulating media on the internet to coincidence with current copyright laws... anyone ever thing of just changing the copyright laws?
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:48 AM
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rofl this would be too hysterical if it ever went live.

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Old 11-04-2009, 12:08 PM
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:12 PM
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i was just about to post this, it is ridiculous these two industries can force so much change on the world because they are too cheap/stupid to change their model. If they spent half the money they spend on lawsuits and finding infringments as developing a new distribution model for the internet they would already be making a lot more money
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:33 PM
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i was just about to post this, it is ridiculous these two industries can force so much change on the world because they are too cheap/stupid to change their model. If they spent half the money they spend on lawsuits and finding infringments as developing a new distribution model for the internet they would already be making a lot more money
Agreed, the internet is such an amazing tool. It is hard to believe they are not embracing it the way they should.

There are tons of studies that are in favor of piracy saying that people who pirate music actually end up buying more music than those who do not.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:41 PM
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i was just about to post this, it is ridiculous these two industries can force so much change on the world because they are too cheap/stupid to change their model. If they spent half the money they spend on lawsuits and finding infringments as developing a new distribution model for the internet they would already be making a lot more money
whats harder to do?
using creativity
or
hiring a lawyer/paying politicians
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:54 PM
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I can't imagine anything like this actually working. If they went with a really aggressive enforcing policy ISP's would just lose massive business from banning everyone.

So unrealistic.
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:14 AM
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Old 11-05-2009, 12:15 AM
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Now we know why Obama went down to Australia for broadband inspiration. Seriously, this sort of system is unprecedented and unbelievably impractical. The Aussies have a system that is only half this complicated, though it focuses more on preventing reality (dicks, tits, vaginas, black jokes, etc.) from hitting the public's computer screens, the ISPs down there are finding it to be an impossible task to police their subscribers. At least some of them are not cooperating at all because of how impractical the system is. And now we want to establish an even more complicated, nebulous system on an international scale? Holy ****. This will never, EVER even come close to working if it is implemented in its current form.

This is the sort of **** that happens when people who have no clue how to set the clock on a VCR attempt to make extremely far-reaching technology decisions. I'm kind of surprised that there haven't been any ISP responses to this, even though I can see some of them (ie, Comcast) approving because it gets "all dem pirates" off of their network. Allllll those paying customers who willingly pay your excessive rates every month, on time, every time. These are the people who buy higher tiers of service that don't cost you more than a few extra pennies to offer.

Even if this does happen (it wont) it ownt last long because all of the ISPs who are positively ROLLING in the cash right now (Comcast recently posted 22 percent quarterly profit increase that can be mostly attributed to cable tv and modem rental rate hikes) will have a **** fit because they were forced to give up half of their customers. Remember that these are the same companies who resent government interference because it could potentially interfere with their cash cow that is broadband in north america. Hello SMS! How many thousands of dollars per gigabyte are those, again? No way will the ISPs give that sort of thing up. No way.
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:09 AM
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After looking into this, the entire "story" is just bull ****. It's not a legitimate story. Considering the op's tendency to spew conspiracy theory **** all the time, I would take what he now proposes --with a grain of salt.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:30 PM
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Agreed, the internet is such an amazing tool. It is hard to believe they are not embracing it the way they should.

There are tons of studies that are in favor of piracy saying that people who pirate music actually end up buying more music than those who do not.
That is so true.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:32 PM
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This seems to be out of line from what the FCC said just a few weeks ago.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:09 PM
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yep, and i'm pretty sure that the FCC is a position to tell these guys to suck a fat one. their whole net neutrality thing is pretty much the opposite if this.

edit: right on cue...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/05/c...ttling-scheme/

editedit: apparently that's old news.
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