Do you believe global warming is occuring? yes
Do you believe the current trend is an entirely natural process? no
Do you believe there are man-made factors that have affected the current trend? yes
Are you in favor of a carbon-credit market? yes
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Do you believe global warming is occuring? No.
Do you believe the current trend is an entirely natural process? No.
Do you believe there are man-made factors that have affected the current trend? Yes.
Are you in favor of a carbon-credit market? No.
Antarctic Ice Melt at Lowest Levels in Satellite Era
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Where are the headlines? Where are the press releases? Where is all the attention?
The ice melt across during the Antarctic summer (October-January) of 2008-2009 was the lowest ever recorded in the satellite history.
Such was the finding reported last week by Marco Tedesco and Andrew Monaghan in the journal Geophysical Research Letters:
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A 30-year minimum Antarctic snowmelt record occurred during austral summer 2008–2009 according to spaceborne microwave observations for 1980–2009. Strong positive phases of both the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode (SAM) were recorded during the months leading up to and including the 2008–2009 melt season.
Figure 1. Standardized values of the Antarctic snow melt index (October-January) from 1980-2009 (adapted from Tedesco and Monaghan, 2009).
The silence surrounding this publication was deafening.
It would seem that with oft-stoked fears of a disastrous sea level rise coming this century any news that perhaps some signs may not be pointing to its imminent arrival would be greeted by a huge sigh of relief from all inhabitants of earth (not only the low-lying ones, but also the high-living ones, respectively under threat from rising seas or rising energy costs).
But not a peep.
But such is not always the case—or rather, such is not ever the case when ice melt is pushing the other end of the record scale.
For instance, below is a collection of NASA stories highlighting record high amounts of melting (or in most cases, simply higher than normal amounts in some regions) across Greenland in each of the past 3 years, as ascertained by Marco Tedesco (the lead author of the latest report on Antarctica):
“In 2006, Greenland experienced more days of melting snow and at higher altitudes than average over the past 18 years, according to a new NASA-funded project using satellite observations….”
“A new NASA-supported study reports that 2007 marked an overall rise in the melting trend over the entire Greenland ice sheet and, remarkably, melting in high-altitude areas was greater than ever at 150 percent more than average. In fact, the amount of snow that has melted this year over Greenland is the equivalent of more than twice the surface size of the U.S…
“On the world’s coldest continent of Antarctica, the landscape is so vast and varied that only satellites can fully capture the extent of changes in the snow melting across its valleys, mountains, glaciers and ice shelves. In a new NASA study, researchers [including Marco Tedesco] using 20 years of data from space-based sensors have confirmed that Antarctic snow is melting farther inland from the coast over time, melting at higher altitudes than ever and increasingly melting on Antarctica’s largest ice shelf.”
But this time around, nothing, nada, zippo from NASA when their ice melt go-to guy Marco Tedesco reports that Antarctica has set a record for the lack of surface ice melt (even more interestingly coming on the heels of a near-record low ice-melt year last summer).
So, seriously, NASA, what gives? If ice melt is an important enough topic to warrant annual updates of the goings-on across Greenland, it is not important enough to elucidate the history and recent behavior across Antarctica?
(These are not meant as rhetorical questions)
Reference
Tedesco M., and A. J. Monaghan, 2009. An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability. Geophysical Research Letters, 36, L18502, doi:10.1029/2009GL039186.
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Repetition and Ridicule, the biggest tools of the Liberal.
Your questions are flawed. You should be asking if people think climate is a natural earth cycle. Then ask if they think that the cycle can be affected by man. Then ask if they think the current trend is affected by man.
Do you believe global warming is occurring? NO
Do you believe the current trend is an entirely natural process? Yes
Do you believe there are man-made factors that have affected the current trend? NO
Are you in favor of a carbon-credit market? NO
Is the earth going to be here long after we have left, or been wiped out?: YES
Is it possible for we, as humans to affect a global sized ecosystem? NO
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A republic is, two sheep and a wolf voting on dinner.
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lol op is in favor of carbon credits. someone laugh at him. that or hes a troll.
yes I certainly don't work on DOE projects or anything that would let me be in favor of it.
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FuriousGeorge: "You seem to have this Freudian view that if you put an ad on television, it somehow influences their priorities greatly enough so that they go out and buy the product."
justinwb: "Thats great.......I dont really care what you think, you arent part of my target audience. My target audience would be someone with an IQ over 120." http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8254/outx.jpg
It drives innovation. You can't expect a country built on burning coal to not start killing its own people with pollution. (see China, which has realized it has an insane lung cancer rate and is rapidly shifting to producing turbines and silicon foundries)
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FuriousGeorge: "You seem to have this Freudian view that if you put an ad on television, it somehow influences their priorities greatly enough so that they go out and buy the product."
justinwb: "Thats great.......I dont really care what you think, you arent part of my target audience. My target audience would be someone with an IQ over 120." http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8254/outx.jpg
It drives up energy costs, which mean pretty much every commercial good becomes more expensive. Food is more expensive to produce and therefore when food costs go up people go hungry and we don't have as much left over to help the poor. You're supporting death by supporting a carbon credit market. Sue me, I said it.
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Nobody is responsible for your own safety, well being, and security but yourself. Get an education, learn useful skills, be honest, and buy a gun.
I like how you've changed together like 8 sequential events that have to happen in that order for carbon credits to kill people.
Here's another protip: Lung cancer kills people. See, 1 step.
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FuriousGeorge: "You seem to have this Freudian view that if you put an ad on television, it somehow influences their priorities greatly enough so that they go out and buy the product."
justinwb: "Thats great.......I dont really care what you think, you arent part of my target audience. My target audience would be someone with an IQ over 120." http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8254/outx.jpg
Do you believe global warming is occuring? yes
Do you believe the current trend is an entirely natural process? no
Do you believe there are man-made factors that have affected the current trend? yes
Are you in favor of a carbon-credit market? yes
I think that it is both a natural process that has spun out of control over the last 50 years because of human activities. However there are trends out there showing that the earth is starting to cool a bit in the last few years.
I want to point out that holding the opinion of 'global warming is not man made' goes against ~80% of surveyed geophysics scientists in 2008. So, I guess those guys are all ignoramus's
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FuriousGeorge: "You seem to have this Freudian view that if you put an ad on television, it somehow influences their priorities greatly enough so that they go out and buy the product."
justinwb: "Thats great.......I dont really care what you think, you arent part of my target audience. My target audience would be someone with an IQ over 120." http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8254/outx.jpg
Its warming as we have just departed an ice age. Its natural as its happened many times over throughout different eras in earth's developments. Do we contribute? Maybe we're comparable to a volcano here and there doubt we have much of an impact. We should make it as small as possible, but governments shouldn't be the ones to decide this. Do I support terrible policies? No.
Great thread by the way. Go post in mine. It was made for you and CL. People who have great individually inspired (big ****ing ) beliefs.
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