NY-23 Rep election: How's them Yankees? He wouldn't know.
This thread may be about New York, an overly Dem-swinging state, but district 23 is 100% red through and through. They haven't had a Dem rep in... practically forever. So what's so interesting about the race for 2010? Basically this:
Dems picked a Dem to run: Bill Owens, a local businessman and retired air force captain.
Reps picked a Rep to run: Dede Scozzofava, state assemblywoman and also local resident.
But then the Teabaggers showed up and put their own third party candidate into the ring: Conservative party candidate Doug Hoffman, a local accountant.
Here's where things get... weird. Sarah Palin has endorsed and is stumping for Hoffman. Counter to that, Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich have been speaking out against Hoffman in support of Scozzofava. Yesterday, Scozzofava DROPPED OUT of the race, and has now thrown her support behind Bill Owens.
Even more interesting is that the Conservative candidate has no clue what's happening in his own district. When asked about local issues, he couldn't answer:
Douglas L. Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate for the 23rd Congressional District, showed no grasp of the bread-and-butter issues pertinent to district residents in a Thursday morning meeting with the Watertown Daily Times editorial board.
In a nearly hour-long session, Mr. Hoffman was unable to articulate clear positions on a number of matters specific to Northern New Yorkers rather than the national level campaign being waged in a three-way race for the vacant seat of now-Army Secretary John McHugh.
Mr. Hoffman spoke only generally about the need to improve the country's economy and to create jobs but provided no details, which were also lacking as well in his broadly stated willingness to help our military personnel. Help in what way he could not say.
A flustered and ill-at-ease Mr. Hoffman objected to the heated questioning, saying he should have been provided a list of questions he might be asked. He was, if he had taken the time to read the Thursday morning Times editorial raising the very same questions.
Coming to Mr. Hoffman's defense, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Texas, who accompanied the candidate on a campaign swing, dismissed regional concerns as "parochial" issues that would not determine the outcome of the election. On the contrary, it is just such parochial issues that we expect our representative to understand and be knowledgeable about, if he wants to be our voice in Washington.
So is this splintering of the GOP a good thing? If so, why?
apunkjunkie - "Sorry to burst your bubble, but less than 1% of the southern citizens owned slaves and out of that, most were treated fairly well. So no, slavery wasn't a big issue."
This dude is a conservative, Ms. Scozzofava is not a conservative. The issue being the Republicans backed someone who was essentially a Democrat in Republican clothing. A Decepticon (deception of conservative) is the phrase going around in the circles.
The "people" (not "tea-baggers" and don't think I didn't see the thinly veiled negative connotations in there) want their conservative, little "r" Republicans and are not getting them. A common moniker (is that the correct term?) is Reagan Conservative; conservative first, Republican second.
Newt and Dick wanted votes for the Republican because they didn't want a Democrat in office, plain and simple. No good reason, and they are just playing "you only have 2 parties to chose from" politics because they fear the loss of power due to their party's current los of unified direction or message.
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Last edited by barrel roll : 11-01-2009 at 05:02 PM.
I also don't know what's more pathetic--the state of the GOP, or the fact that the Democrats don't have the spine or smarts to take advantage of the GOP's position. It's easy to laugh at the GOP... then you realize that the Democrats are just as bad.
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"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." – Robert Heinlein
Closed-bolt, because I can.
Repetition and Ridicule, the biggest tools of the Liberal.
This dude is a conservative, Ms. Scozzofava is not a conservative. The issue being the Republicans backed someone who was essentially a Democrat in Republican clothing. A Decepticon (deception of conservative) is the phrase going around in the circles.
The point is that the local GOP felt she was the best candidate, most conservative toward their goals and most qualified in that district. So far they've been proven right considering that the "conservative party" choice has no idea what's going on and can't even answer questions about his own districts concerns.
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Originally Posted by barrel roll
The "people" (not "tea-baggers" and don't think I didn't see the thinly veiled negative connotations in there) want their conservative, little "r" Republicans and are not getting them. A common moniker (is that the correct term?) is Reagan Conservative; conservative first, Republican second.
No, it's "teabaggers" because that's a term that the tea party movement chose on their own. And it's not "the people" until the election's over.
apunkjunkie - "Sorry to burst your bubble, but less than 1% of the southern citizens owned slaves and out of that, most were treated fairly well. So no, slavery wasn't a big issue."
The point is that the local GOP felt she was the best candidate, most conservative toward their goals and most qualified in that district. So far they've been proven right considering that the "conservative party" choice has no idea what's going on and can't even answer questions about his own districts concerns.
Bull-****ing-****. She was definitely not conservative towards their goals, proven through her past voting records. I outlined why she was picked in my earlier post, and even mentioned how she is NOW BACKING THE DEMOCRAT.
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Originally Posted by CrazyLittle
No, it's "teabaggers" because that's a term that the tea party movement chose on their own. ...
Maddow, Garofalo and Olbermann are not part of the movement...
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"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." – Robert Heinlein
Closed-bolt, because I can.
Repetition and Ridicule, the biggest tools of the Liberal.
have teabaggers figured out what their name means yet?
Provide proof that they call themselves that, please. I have yet to see it.
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“The several states composing the United States of America are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government” - Thomas Jefferson
"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." – Robert Heinlein
Closed-bolt, because I can.
Repetition and Ridicule, the biggest tools of the Liberal.
__________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
Crazylittle doesn't speak on my behalf, I never said they gave themselves the name.
my initial question (which was removed because I felt idiots would misinterpret my intent, and drive the thread offtopic. also because I googled it and answered it myself) was not based on anyone elses posts in this thread, so I'm not sure why you assumed it was.
__________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
In February, David Weigel of The Washington Independent photographed a protester holding a sign that read "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You."[118] The verb "tea bag" is used by others including Fox News Reporter Griff Jenkins and reteaparty.com where it is used self-referentially.[119] Salon.com, however, pointed out that "teabagging" has long had another meaning.[120][121][122][123]
apunkjunkie - "Sorry to burst your bubble, but less than 1% of the southern citizens owned slaves and out of that, most were treated fairly well. So no, slavery wasn't a big issue."
Last edited by CrazyLittle : 11-02-2009 at 12:17 AM.
Still waiting for that proof the movement calls THEMSELVES "teabaggers" (can't watch the video on a government computer BTW )
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“The several states composing the United States of America are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government” - Thomas Jefferson
"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." – Robert Heinlein
Closed-bolt, because I can.
Repetition and Ridicule, the biggest tools of the Liberal.
Still waiting for that proof the movement calls THEMSELVES "teabaggers" (can't watch the video on a government computer BTW )
You're splitting hairs. In other words, no, they didn't label themselves "teabaggers" explicitly but the tea party protesters ARE shown to be the first group to use that term within the context of protesting. The promoters of the gatherings also used that term, so yes the did adopt "teabagging" as their own term for the protest, therefore they're self-admitted teabaggers.
apunkjunkie - "Sorry to burst your bubble, but less than 1% of the southern citizens owned slaves and out of that, most were treated fairly well. So no, slavery wasn't a big issue."
Last edited by CrazyLittle : 11-02-2009 at 12:57 PM.
