Link? I think you meant to post in the next forum down. Cheaper will close a lot of fields that are barely making it now (not mine btw we're doing great).
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That's only assuming the margins remain, assuming the better margins ever exist.
But the same thing will happen to the same people, the same folks will be willing to reduce margins assuming they will make up for that with volume, which they still won't, and those suffering will be in the same boat.
Most the players that use 2000 rds a day won't convert and continue using 2000 rds thus saving money, they will convert and shoot more paint spending the same amount of cash.
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That's only assuming the margins remain, assuming the better margins ever exist.
But the same thing will happen to the same people, the same folks will be willing to reduce margins assuming they will make up for that with volume, which they still won't, and those suffering will be in the same boat.
Most the players that use 2000 rds a day won't convert and continue using 2000 rds thus saving money, they will convert and shoot more paint spending the same amount of cash.
why? if a certain of paint consumed = a fun day of paintball ,then why would they all of a sudden need more? also with the caps on guns it would be even better than the old days
why? if a certain of paint consumed = a fun day of paintball ,then why would they all of a sudden need more? also with the caps on guns it would be even better than the old days
Here's an experiment I want you to try. Take how much paint you normally buy, say a case. Now the next time you go play I want you to buy twice as much. I'm not saying to use twice as much, but to buy it. Have it sitting there next to your gear bag. Waiting. Just ready to be shot. Calling to you...
If what you think is true, you'll be all set for the next weekend.
But experience shows, if you have it, you'll probably shoot it.
lowering the price on paint won't bring more players. 9 fields in the last 8 years here tried that and didn't gain any more players then all of them went out of business.
Originally posted by psiborg: Don't get one...I relate buying an AKA product to trying Crack. Sure it's fun at the start but then you just want more and more until you're ready to sell your family to a shady guy in a zoot suit for that FSP/Tarantula/Halfmill/Fullmill/Bonebrake etc. Damn now I've gone and soiled myself."
lowering the price on paint won't bring more players. 9 fields in the last 8 years here tried that and didn't gain any more players then all of them went out of business.
The price was never lowered enough to enable a huge group of people to be able to play all of a sudden.
The price was never lowered enough to enable a huge group of people to be able to play all of a sudden.
So what price are you looking for that this might happen. $250/case, $200/case, $150/case, $100/case, $80/case, $60/case, $50/case, $40/case, $30/case, $20/case, $10/case?
Just wondering what YOU think the threshold needs to be to attract these masses of players that aren't playing yet, and I guess tha masses tha left because paintball was too expensive all of a sudden.
Here's an experiment I want you to try. Take how much paint you normally buy, say a case. Now the next time you go play I want you to buy twice as much. I'm not saying to use twice as much, but to buy it. Have it sitting there next to your gear bag. Waiting. Just ready to be shot. Calling to you...
If what you think is true, you'll be all set for the next weekend.
But experience shows, if you have it, you'll probably shoot it.
cool and if the field made more money on each case sold and the player had a better time w/o destroying new players and asked his freinds to come next time whats the harm?
cool and if the field made more money on each case sold and the player had a better time w/o destroying new players and asked his freinds to come next time whats the harm?
It cancels out the "cheaper" argument. If you currently pay $60 for 2000, and you can suddenly buy 4000 for the same amount of money, you'll end up spending the same amount of money, just shooting more. Paint prices have been cut in half before, and people didn't spend half as much, just used twice as much.
It cancels out the "cheaper" argument. If you currently pay $60 for 2000, and you can suddenly buy 4000 for the same amount of money, you'll end up spending the same amount of money, just shooting more. Paint prices have been cut in half before, and people didn't spend half as much, just used twice as much.
Yeah, but this time it's going to be different! Honest!
So what price are you looking for that this might happen. $250/case, $200/case, $150/case, $100/case, $80/case, $60/case, $50/case, $40/case, $30/case, $20/case, $10/case?
Just wondering what YOU think the threshold needs to be to attract these masses of players that aren't playing yet, and I guess tha masses tha left because paintball was too expensive all of a sudden.
We have two different views on fields so it does not matter what I tell you. I believe it is possible to keep the less-extreme environment new players want and have it cost significantly less for a day of play and keep a field profitable.
Doing so opens up a much larger market, not a lot of people are interested in spending 50$ on a day of paintball regularly.
On top of this keep a large portion of tournament players(though they don't make you most of there money, there still a portion) playing in the extreme conditions they like for a cheaper cost.
I can't say what the price of paint should be to read a threshold which opens the doors for a very large group of players, with out research though.
why? if a certain of paint consumed = a fun day of paintball ,then why would they all of a sudden need more? also with the caps on guns it would be even better than the old days
Well it kinda depends on which side of the argument is being discussed.
If you discuss rec then yes, they could have fun within a limited number of balls, so the margins could be better sustained or increased. But for the regulars/tourney guys it will just increase most of their consumption numbers.
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Well it kinda depends on which side of the argument is being discussed.
If you discuss rec then yes, they could have fun within a limited number of balls, so the margins could be better sustained or increased. But for the regulars/tourney guys it will just increase most of their consumption numbers.
then its good no? listen im not going to go into a war about tourney paintball becouse i could care less im merely pointing out that this could be a very good thing for the paintball industry,my field caters to both but of course we make more off rec guys and if the paint is that much cheaper it has to be a good thing, you dont have to all of a sudden start allowing uncapped ramping and ruin your biz model but think about how many people could afford to play more and new players as well
Well, in my mind if the 50cal can be developed to perform close to that of the .68 (range, accuracy, ect) then it could be great for rec business. Not only could it help with margins but it could also help with further separation of the markets within paintball.
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Advice for the thread: "how to open a paintball store" NastyShock3r: hey guy's i live in miami i need help to open a paintball store can anyone help or can tell me what i need to do? midstatepaintball: That's easy! Just push on the front door of the store if it says "push", or pull on the door if it says "pull".
We have two different views on fields so it does not matter what I tell you. I believe it is possible to keep the less-extreme environment new players want and have it cost significantly less for a day of play and keep a field profitable.
I can't say what the price of paint should be to read a threshold which opens the doors for a very large group of players, with out research though.
Do you have any thoughts as to how you could achieve this? Or a remote idea of what the price point would be?
How could you purchase goods significantly cheaper, or how could you cut expenses to enable you achieve this target price point.
