What's With All The Attempted Terrorist Attacks Lately?
First we have:
Feds Arrest Denver Terror Suspect
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The Denver shuttle bus driver who may or may not be a terrorist with al-Qaeda links has been taken into custody by federal authorities, the Denver Post reports. Najibullah Zazi and his father were arrested late tonight, but the charges weren't immediately known. The FBI had questioned Zazi on three consecutive days—apparently in connection with a plot to coordinate a massive homemade bomb attack in New York City—before he abruptly refused to participate in a fourth round this morning.
Man Arrested In Alleged Attempt To Bomb Dallas Skyscraper
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Federal authorities arrested a 19-year-old Jordanian citizen whom they said placed an inactive car bomb today at Fountain Place, a 60-story skyscraper in downtown Dallas.
Hosam Maher Husein Smadi has repeatedly voiced his intent to serve Osama bin Laden and al-Qa’ida and commit “violent Jihad,” authorities said in a prepared statement.
Things are really starting to heat up it seems. It'll be a sad day when one of these terrorists plans actually works.
::EDIT: And another attack plot:
Man Charged With Plot To Bomb Ill. Courthouse
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CHICAGO —
A 29-year-old man who idolized American-born Taliban soldier John Walker Lindh has been arrested after attempting to detonate what he thought was a bomb inside a van outside a federal courthouse in the Illinois capital of Springfield, officials said Thursday.
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Closed-bolt, because I can.
Repetition and Ridicule, the biggest tools of the Liberal.
Story #1 seems up-front. We'll have to see how the trial plays out.
Story #2 and #3 sound a lot like the sting operation that was done on Hemant Lakhani, where basically he was set up from the beginning, all the way to his conviction, and he never would have been anywhere near able (or competent) enough to commit the crime if the FBI hadn't been feeding him from both ends the whole way through... In other words: no actual crime was ever "prevented" but some dude was railroaded into a jail sentence anyways.
At what point do these FBI investigations become entrapment?
Each time the government announces the indictment of domestic terrorists allegedly plotting our demise, the press devotes itself to the story with obsessive relish, only to later note, on page A22 or in a casual aside, that the whole thing was bunk. In August 2003, to cite just one example, the New York dailies breathlessly reported what one US official called an "incredible triumph in the war against terrorism," the arrest of Hemant Lakhani, a supposed terrorist mastermind caught red-handed attempting to acquire a surface-to-air missile. Only later did the government admit that the "plot" consisted of an FBI informant begging Lakhani to find him a missile, while a Russian intelligence officer called up Lakhani and offered to sell him one.
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Last edited by CrazyLittle : 09-24-2009 at 08:16 PM.
That's what I was thinking about too Crazy. It sure as hell seems like entrapment. If you join a terror suspects 'group' and then provide him with the materials and information to carry out an attack, then arrest him before the attack can be carried out, that is entrapment, is it not?
Without the FBI, insert other govt agency, they wouldn't have been able to carry out an attack in the first place.
But then again, even if it is entrapment, people that were provided the materials and said "Yea I'll carry out an attack" have now been arrested and taken out of society so they cannot eventually attack the U.S.
That's what I was thinking about too Crazy. It sure as hell seems like entrapment. If you join a terror suspects 'group' and then provide him with the materials and information to carry out an attack, then arrest him before the attack can be carried out, that is entrapment, is it not?
No, it is not. Entrapment is inducing the commission of a crime, not facilitating the already-present desire and intent to commit the crime.
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What if the intent isn't there until an undercover agent gives them the idea and they say sure?
That most likely WOULD be entrapment.
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Are the Geisterjagers over the top?
Well, let's just say "The Top" is barely a speck in our rear view mirror.
"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..."
Samuel Adams
Ave Caesar Obama! Tributituri ad moritus te salutant.
It could be propaganda, a la V For Vendetta. When Sutler tells his committee to tell his people 'Why they need us! [The Government]'. It's plausible, seeing as how Obama's numbers and popularity are slipping. Am I suggesting this stuff is manufactured? No. I'm saying the mainstream media usually doesn't cover this stuff. I've been subscribed to sites like anti-war.com, and others, and they always show when new terrorism cells are busted up, and plots are failed, but rarely do these stories make it on the mainstream stations. I was just watching CNN, and they just had like 4 terrorism plots aired consecutively. I just kind of scratched my head.
apunkjunkie - "Sorry to burst your bubble, but less than 1% of the southern citizens owned slaves and out of that, most were treated fairly well. So no, slavery wasn't a big issue."
What if the intent isn't there until an undercover agent gives them the idea and they say sure?
It's still not entrapment until the individual is forced or coached to do something. Just like the Acorn videos aren't entrapment because those two never told the acorn employees what to say to them what to say.
Nothing scares me more than a nation that has declared war and has completely forgotten about it.
We're at war people. You are a target. I am a target. Let's stop playing dumb. We know exactly why these people are trying to bomb us.
We're at war.
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It's still not entrapment until the individual is forced or coached to do something. Just like the Acorn videos aren't entrapment because those two never told the acorn employees what to say to them what to say.
Read/listen to the Hemant Lakhani case. There was no intent before the FBI created it.
apunkjunkie - "Sorry to burst your bubble, but less than 1% of the southern citizens owned slaves and out of that, most were treated fairly well. So no, slavery wasn't a big issue."
