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Old 08-15-2009, 11:48 PM
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Swine Flu Jab Link To Killer Nerve Disease

Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America

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A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.

It refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

* More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
* 500 cases of GBS were detected.
* The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
* The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
* The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected.

Concerns have already been raised that the new vaccine has not been sufficiently tested and that the effects, especially on children, are unknown.

It is being developed by pharmaceutical companies and will be given to about 13million people during the first wave of immunization, expected to start in October.

Top priority will be given to everyone aged six months to 65 with an underlying health problem, pregnant women and health professionals.

The British Neurological Surveillance Unit (BNSU), part of the British Association of Neurologists, has been asked to monitor closely any cases of GBS as the vaccine is rolled out.

One senior neurologist said last night: ‘I would not have the swine
flu jab because of the GBS risk.’


There are concerns that there could be a repeat of what became known as the ‘1976 debacle’ in the US, where a swine flu vaccine killed 25 people – more than the virus itself.

The swine flu virus in the new vaccine is a slightly different strain from the 1976 virus, but the possibility of an increased incidence of GBS remains a concern.

Shadow health spokesman Mike Penning said last night: ‘The last thing we want is secret letters handed around experts within the NHS. We need a vaccine but we also need to know about potential risks.

‘Our job is to make sure that the public knows what’s going on. Why
is the Government not being open about this? It’s also very worrying if GPs, who will be administering the vaccine, aren’t being warned.’

It is not known exactly what causes GBS and research on the subject has been inconclusive.

However, it is thought that one in a million people who have a seasonal flu vaccination could be at risk and it has also been linked to people recovering from a bout of flu of any sort.

Dr Tom Jefferson, co-ordinator of the vaccines section of the influential Cochrane Collaboration, an independent group that reviews research, said: ‘New vaccines never behave in the way you expect them to. It may be that there is a link to GBS, which is certainly not something I would wish on anybody.

But it could end up being anything because one of the additives in one of the vaccines is a substance called squalene, and none of the studies we’ve extracted have any research on it at all.’

He said squalene, a naturally occurring enzyme, could potentially cause so-far-undiscovered side effects.

If neurologists do identify a case of GBS, it will be logged on a central database.

Details about patients, including blood samples, will be collected and monitored by the HPA.

It is hoped this will help scientists establish why some people develop the condition and whether it is directly related to the vaccine.

But some question why there needs to be a vaccine, given the risks. Dr Richard Halvorsen, author of The Truth About Vaccines, said: 'I applaud the Government for recognising the risk but in most cases this is a mild virus which needs a few days in bed. I’d question why we need a vaccine at all.’
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1976 anyone? I honestly don't understand this entire situation at all. Very few people have died from this virus, yet the government is vaccinating people and putting them at risk of getting GBS. Why is there such a ****ing deal about it all? Is it just the government's way of saying, "Well, we made a vaccine, so if this flu turns out to be extremely lethal, you can't say we didn't try." Maybe they are just trying to cover their *****, but this vaccine will most likely hurt more people than it will help.
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Old 08-16-2009, 12:02 AM
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Old 08-16-2009, 12:32 AM
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1976 anyone? I honestly don't understand this entire situation at all. Very few people have died from this virus, yet the government is vaccinating people and putting them at risk of getting GBS. Why is there such a ****ing deal about it all? Is it just the government's way of saying, "Well, we made a vaccine, so if this flu turns out to be extremely lethal, you can't say we didn't try." Maybe they are just trying to cover their *****, but this vaccine will most likely hurt more people than it will help.
Then don't take it and move on with your life.
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Old 08-16-2009, 12:52 AM
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I'm definitely not taking it. I'm more worried for the people that are told they 'need' this vaccine.
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:40 AM
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Old 08-16-2009, 03:21 PM
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Old 08-16-2009, 07:08 PM
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Seriously ladies, cat fights are so last week. Quit being pussies and trolls.


Vaccines are a ****ty idea anyways, let your body get its own immunities and maybe you'll live when there's a virus big pharma can't save us from.
Chances are, if you can fight it yourself, they can make a vaccine for it. Just saying.
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Old 08-16-2009, 07:35 PM
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Chances are, if you can fight it yourself, they can make a vaccine for it. Just saying.

Chances are if you fight more yourself, you'll need vaccines less.
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Old 08-16-2009, 07:44 PM
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Chances are, if you can fight it yourself, they can make a vaccine for it. Just saying.
Vaccines force viruses to mutate. Nothx.
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Because you have to say the same thing as me always noob. <3
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I actually sit on the floor an armchair would be nice.
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No they are peddled by snake oil salesmen and hucksters.
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:14 PM
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Don't know about you, but I'll stick with my biochem degree.
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Old 08-16-2009, 11:30 PM
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Dunno about you, but Swine Flu is being drastically overstated. There was only like, what, 25? people in the US that have died from Swine Flu? Most of them had health conditions already, so they were susceptible regardless. Obviously some vaccines are necessary, but does everyone in the goddamn universe need to vaccinate against the flu, swine flu, etc? It's already proven some viruses mutate when they're exposed to a highly-resistant (vaccinated) population.
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:26 AM
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Dunno about you, but Swine Flu is being drastically overstated. There was only like, what, 25? people in the US that have died from Swine Flu? Most of them had health conditions already, so they were susceptible regardless. Obviously some vaccines are necessary, but does everyone in the goddamn universe need to vaccinate against the flu, swine flu, etc? It's already proven some viruses mutate when they're exposed to a highly-resistant (vaccinated) population.
The swine flu is nothing more than a flu. It's over hyped by people who don't understand it. Fearing a mutation caused by vaccination is also a hype though. Because a vaccination doesn't force a mutation. It simply acts like a reverse artificial selection. The original strain doesn't survive but it's variations of it's strain might (if not recognized by the vaccine and immune system). Those variations in the strain sequence (mutation) will produce a better chance at surviving the vaccine. On the other hand, the mutations will also happen at the same rate on an unvaccinated person. Those variations will also go through a natural selection produced by the immune system but will not be "guided" by the sequence that the vaccine recognizes.
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