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Old 08-08-2009, 01:59 PM
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2009 Alien Independence (First 1000 Shots) Review

Hi all:

I just received a brand new Alien Independence 2009.

Build/Appearance:

Right out of the box I was very impressed compared to the '08 ND. This is the perfect example of "form follows function". The matte anodized finish feels and looks invincible. The surface is hardened and resistant to scratches. It'd take a lot of abuse to see the underlying aluminum.

The marker feels solid, durable, and light-weight/balanced. This is probably due to the fantastic milling job. It's smooth, clean, and has a very nice tactile feel to it. No more appearance of "brush strokes". There is zero flex in the grip frame, the upper body, or the regulators into the upper receiver (body). The grip frame feels so nice when held with a full-fingered gloved hand. The palm naturally wraps around the grip and the fingers just fall into the right place.

What I love about this model is that it is unique to the paintball market. The appearance exudes a sense of speed, strength, and reliability.

On-Off ASA:

Small, light, easy to turn off and on. It has the feature of being able to de-gas the marker so it's easy to remove a pressurized bottle. To the guys who first get the marker, if you get a leak here remember you'll probably need to drop a bit of oil (silicon based only) onto the pin and work it in there by screwing the on-off back and forth. The o-rings inside are new and need a bit of soak in oil to seal properly. Great little component. I like the small size, matte finish, and ease of use. Jack didn't neglect the small things.

Feedneck:

Awesome low rise neck. Fits all loader types I can think of. Nice bike-lock type mechanism to tighten. Great!

Trigger:

Critical trigger design. We're mostly familiar with this. 4-point adjustments for getting it just right. Subject to opinion in terms of feel. Personally I love it. AlienPB had it setup perfect from the factory and I made no adjustments to it. I'm sure most will love it.

Shooting Function:

I've shot and played with markers from several major companies (eg SP, PE, BT, Tipps, DYE, etc). The day after I got the box from Alien, I hoped in a car to get air for my tanks. After a fill, I went to a teammate's backyard and tuned the regulators for a decent velocity. I had to do this because out of the box I was shooting ~350 FPS. At that velocity, I was shooting with a very straight trajectory. I was using the Mayday Barrel Kit (0.693) and month-old Draxxus paint. The madday barrel kit is awesome, by the way, but I'm sure if you've got a barrel kit already, the alien kit is just icing on the cake. Personally I love the mayday barrels.

With slow single shots, at ~350+ FPS I was not breaking balls. I'm pretty sure this is due to the way the bolt and sweep air-flow was designed. Instead of a spike of pressure on the paintball, the air sweeps around it and carries it forward. When I tried shooting at faster rates, paintballs started to break in the barrel; but we're talking about 350+ fps...so breaks are gonna happen.

We turned down the regulators, tuned them a bit, and got a nice, consistent 260 FPS. Mind you, this gun is brand new and it still needs to be broken in. The piston springs are stiff, etc. But, after a few shots I believe I was getting +/- 3 to 5 FPS. I liked that a lot.

So, I proceeded to walk the trigger (easily done with the '09 ND). No first shot drop off. No drop off at higher rates of fire. The regulators kept up with my shooting. I don't know what my BPS was, but my team mate walked my '09 ND as though it was on auto fire. No adjustments to the trigger. No ball breaks.

Laser beams would be jealous. With old draxxus paintballs, 0.693 bore Mayday barrel 14 inches, I got a nice 100-120 foot range with a straight trajectory and almost no deviation from center for at least 80 feet at 260 fps. This is a very consistent, smooth (zero kick!), dare I say quieter, and very fast shooter.

Electronics:

The board in the Alien '09 Independence is easily and fully programmable. Set and forget. Colored lights tell you what you need and a great manual will tell you how to program the marker to your liking. Enough said here. You could have an OLED screen in an Ego for another $200-400 bucks, or you could get an Alien '09 Indy with the same features without the OLED screen. Your call. I'd rather use my extra $$$ and get a new PS3 for my living room.

Sweep Bolt:

Compared to the '08 ND, this bolt has some new features. O-rings to seal air from going out back during firing (increased efficiency). The bolt has a "V" cut into the back of it so it matches the frame's milling. You don't see the bolt when looking at the marker from the side! All you see is the pin. It's cute and proof again that Jack doesn't neglect the details.

I love this bolt. I don't get why people aren't convinced with the sweep air technology. I've seen the difference on the field. I believe it does help get that straighter trajectory. Instead of a circular cone, the spread of paintballs from the Indy is not only smaller, but looks more like a squashed cone. There is less deviation in the top-down axis.

The rubber nib at the top of the bolt prevents stacked paintballs (from the loader) from getting compressed and nicked by the bolt as it shoots the paintball from the breach. A lot of paintball breaks are from the force fed loaders compressing paintballs too low into the breach. This causes bolt to fracture them while awaiting clearance. Jack has designed a soft rubber nib on the bolt which gently keeps the stacked balls in the feedneck from dropping too low (prevents "premature" activation of the loader's force fed mechanism),
and thereby reducing the risk of "loading fractures".

You know when you're getting bolt "loading fractures" when a ball breaks and paint splatters all over your bolt and eyes. A barrel break, well it happens in the barrel and most paint is found in the barrel. '09 ND has a design to reduce this from happening. I only know of the ego's cure bolts which may be analogous to this.

The '09 ND sits right next to and above all these high-end markers when it comes to actually shooting paintballs. You don't go to AlienPB to buy a paintball gun, you go to AlienPB to shoot your opponents' off the field!

At the price the '09 ND is selling for, you get everything and more when it comes to a more efficient, more consistent, and more accurate (*depends on paint quality/barrels, too) shooting experience. 1000 paintballs through the marker and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Remember, Jack designed these markers so you can maintain them in the comfort of your home or field. Once you set them up though, they won't require much attention except to adjust velocity.

Customer Service:

This is just as important as any feature on a paintball gun. Jack Rice has been on top of his product since I don't know when. He is a consummate businessman with a passion for his paintball markers that is freaking contagious.



Alright, thanks for reading. Now I'm gonna start putting another 500,000 rounds through this thing....

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Old 08-08-2009, 03:09 PM
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Nice review, but is your title wrong? 1000 shots dosn't seem like much at all, and then you say your going nto put "another 500,00 rounds" through it.

Just seemed off to me.
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Old 08-08-2009, 03:47 PM
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too bad the piece of **** 08 independence i bought didnt have all this i might be a happy customer right now
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Old 08-08-2009, 09:33 PM
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Old 08-09-2009, 03:56 PM
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You got your Alien used, thats probably why you have so many issues, the ups/downs of the 2008 models were addressed at the time you got it. Its noones fault but your own, I imagine if you bought it new, youd be a happy customer.
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:22 AM
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The marker feels solid, durable, and light-weight/balanced. This is probably due to the fantastic milling job.

I love this bolt. I don't get why people aren't convinced with the sweep air technology... I've seen the difference on the field...

The '09 ND sits right next to and above all these high-end markers when it comes to actually shooting paintballs. You don't go to AlienPB to buy a paintball gun, you go to AlienPB to shoot your opponents' off the field!
first off thanks.
Second thought I'd quote a few of what I like best. The the last point. For those who want other players envy - the 14 year old who has been playing for 3 months - to look and them and say "oh wow" then it's Lux or a team SL - something like that. On the other hand if you want something that helps you play your best, Alien independence.. like we put in the last Facefull ad - real features with real benefits for real players.
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:34 PM
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I still do not see how alien guns make you shoot more people...lol.
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:02 PM
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Laser beams would be jealous. With old draxxus paintballs, 0.693 bore Mayday barrel 14 inches, I got a nice 100-120 foot range with a straight trajectory and almost no deviation from center for at least 80 feet at 260 fps. This is a very consistent, smooth (zero kick!), dare I say quieter, and very fast shooter... I love this bolt. I don't get why people aren't convinced with the sweep air technology. I've seen the difference on the field.
Light (right at 2 pounds), Fast, Calm (60 psi in the LPR and 215 in the Inline), and shoots straighter - helps - helps a lot.
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:28 PM
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i am saving up for one starting........ NOW!!! lol
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:39 PM
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Smooth.... smoother than the spool-valves I've shot.
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:02 PM
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I guess I will have to believe it when i see it...a guy i know has a remains or some older alien and i never saw any difference between it and my vice, if naything my vice shot nicer.
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:18 PM
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None of the other aliens are as smooth as the 09. It's a totally different gun. My remains was pretty smooth for a poppet but my 09 is much smoother. A buddy of mine used it last weekend for a tournament and was impressed how smooth is was. He normally shoots a marq.
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Old 08-11-2009, 10:01 AM
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... i never saw any difference between it and ...
when you look at the video we did with the gun mounted at 100 feet, there is about a 32 inch spread with two wingers vs. about an 18 inch spread. That's hard to notice at 100 feet unless you are shooting at a flat wall - let alone holding the gun in your hand and gun fighting - add to that the gun is new to you - and maybe you were skeptical.
It's after you have shot the gun for awhile that you appreciate the flatter, tighter shot. Also Sweep doesn't have the ability to improve the shot of bad paint.
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Old 08-11-2009, 12:36 PM
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I've shot more than 100,000 paintballs with my 09 ND - in my opinion its the best marker for 09. Thanx Jack!
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:48 PM
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thanks for the review. There's surprising litte about this gun on the internet, but everytime I read a review, it makes me want to get this more.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:02 AM
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:33 AM
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Smooth.... smoother than the spool-valves I've shot.
I dont know what kind of spoolies your shooting then....... Ive shot the 09 Indy and whiles its smooth. Its not spoolie smooth.
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:09 AM
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I've shot more than 100,000 paintballs with my 09 ND!
Good on you - impressive
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:05 PM
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I dont know what kind of spoolies your shooting then....... Ive shot the 09 Indy and whiles its smooth. Its not spoolie smooth.
Depends how it's set up. Mine is pretty darn smooth and I've shot everything. I'd say as far as actual barrel rise and gun movement as you shoot, it's equal to any of the spoolies I've shot. However you do still get that poppet vibration when shooting which feels a bit rougher than a spoolie. Considering it has no zick kit type of device on the ram it's pretty darn smooth.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:16 AM
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Ill agree its a smooth gun. But to say it has less kick than a spoolie is silly. Ive shot them all.... Dm/Pm's, Droids, Shockers/luxes, Geos.

Anyways... Nice review
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Old 08-13-2009, 05:01 PM
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Ill agree its a smooth gun. But to say it has less kick than a spoolie is silly. Ive shot them all.... Dm/Pm's, Droids, Shockers/luxes, Geos.

Anyways... Nice review
Agreed. Maybe equal to a spoolie.
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