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Old 11-17-2004, 09:46 AM #22
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The NPPL can confiscate a gun up to three days after the event ends. That should be more than enough time to check all 64 of the Speedy2's possible ramp activation codes. (2^n = number of ramping combinations)
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:27 AM #23
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Actually the markings on the speedy chip are exactly the same as a stock chip. Those letters/numbers only refer to the the type of PIC chip used.

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Old 11-18-2004, 05:46 AM #24
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Yeh there are a lot more than 64 combinations. Sequences can range from 4 button combos all the way up to 6. So add a few of 0's, at least (dont feel like doing the math) and you have your answer.
Then, they have one of the speedy chips, not all of them. As well, they dont even know if its a speedy for sure or not so theyre taking a huge gamble with time by even trying to figure out the secret code.
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Old 11-18-2004, 08:21 AM #25
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The refs weren't on there game, I won't name any teams but I watched a ref sit right next to a kid who one one fingering about 20 bps...the ref did not even go after the kid.

The best is when the Ironmen get shot out, isn't it funny they all shoot the ground a few times when they get to the deadbox? I saw some of those boys crony on the Spyder field Sunday morning, ain't no way those timmys are close to legal.
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Old 11-18-2004, 10:15 AM #26
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Yeh there are a lot more than 64 combinations. Sequences can range from 4 button combos all the way up to 6. So add a few of 0's, at least (dont feel like doing the math) and you have your answer.
Then, they have one of the speedy chips, not all of them. As well, they dont even know if its a speedy for sure or not so theyre taking a huge gamble with time by even trying to figure out the secret code.
112 codes then. They could always have Dye take a look at the chip and see what is loaded on it.

I think Calin said he'd be willing to do that for refs since the AdvantagePB intimidator boads are coming out.

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Old 11-18-2004, 12:03 PM #27
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this is stupid, why have a cheater gun.. if it keeps up soon they will be having us install their own chips/boards with a max of 15. how about lets not cheat and play paintball.
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Old 11-18-2004, 01:29 PM #28
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guns are SOOOOO rediculously fast these days, i really don't even see any needs for a ramping gun.. isn't 17 bps enough? ****...

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Old 11-18-2004, 04:18 PM #29
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y dont u guys just play pump it is alot better cause u dont have to worry about damn gun cheaters or getting over shot by a full auto gun
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They need to add an unlimited class to tourneys, where there are no limits at all. The paint manufacturers would love it, teams would be shooting 100k balls a game :LOL:
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But are they allowd to go into the gripframe? BEcause this full auto coulda been a obvious button or something once they looked inside the frame.
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Old 11-18-2004, 06:14 PM #32
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When NPPL/PSP confiscates your gun, they can open it up. Dave Oschell (one of the PSP Coordinators) told us this. Calin I think also said a few times they have brought him Intimidators asking if it was a legit board or not.
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Ya, I know PSP can, when I reffed at Chi town the player with the eledged 'illegal gun' can protest it and when they do that, they take it to the manufacturer.

What sucks is, that big name teams are caught, their sponsors arent going to rat them out.

For example, we caught a Femme with a ramper chip in her dm4, and they protested and they took it to Dye. Dye said 'Trigger Malfunction'
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Old 11-18-2004, 09:22 PM #34
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So...if a ref is watching you, Pretend you broke a ball. Whip out a squeege and break a ball in your breach, causeing the gun to go into a bypass mode and it shoots all slow! Problem solved.
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Dont talk to me... you pussed out when it comes to cheating! But you can redeem yourself
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Old 11-18-2004, 09:29 PM #36
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See I had cash in hand, But my guys werent gunna let me rock with the cheater chip..Even w/o the chip I got pulled for illegal gun on the dye feild. Im buying a Dm5 soon, So ill get in touch about a ramper.
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Psh, slap em around... I was pissed when you did that you dirty bastard
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Old 11-18-2004, 09:51 PM #38
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Hey I may be a bastard but im not a dirty bastard!
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Old 11-18-2004, 10:08 PM #39
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cheating is gay. pros are gay. the only thing that makes a pro a pro is that he can cheat better than all the amatures.
yeah, because amateurs dont' cheat
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Old 11-18-2004, 10:23 PM #40
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Everyone cheats...
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Old 11-19-2004, 02:58 PM #41
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I think people should concentrate more on making a cheater Halo. No one checks those. Flip a switch on it after the game and it slows the max feed rate down to 12bps. Should get you by any test.


great idea!!! lol
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Old 11-19-2004, 05:09 PM #42
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DM4's have the largest potential to be cheater. Because there is such a large variety of Chips out there.

My buddy sells DM4 ramping chips. To where you hold the trigger down for 3 seconds, and it goes into ramping mode. It's virtually undectable to refs.
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