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Old 11-13-2004, 02:05 PM #1
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The TRUTH about the Entourage DQ

I was among the 6 people present for the robot testing of the Shocker that caused Entourage to be disqualified from the NPPL San Diego event.

The others were David Zinkham (NPPL Scrutineer), Bob Long, Opie, Mike Cota, and Sammy, one of the Dynasty camera men.

This is what actually happened, nothing but the TRUTH.

The Shocker in question had a retail Dynasty Shocker board and was set at debounce 1. On the robot it would shoot anywhere from 2-10 additional shots when programmed to fire 20 times. The disqualification is officially due to "excessive bounce".

NOT RAMPING, NOT CHEATING, just bounce.

I was there. The PBN rumor mongers weren't.

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Old 11-13-2004, 02:06 PM #2
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great info...thanx
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Old 11-13-2004, 02:08 PM #3
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From www.flagpull.com

"An illegal gun on team Entourage gets them disqualified from the event, Dynasty's second team knocks them out of the ranks for the San Diego Event and the season."
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Old 11-13-2004, 02:08 PM #4
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I didn't think you could get Dq'ed for bounce at the chrono? I thought they just give you back your marker and say "get the bounce out and come back"

or I could be wrong....

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Old 11-13-2004, 02:12 PM #5
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Re: The TRUTH about the Entourage DQ

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I was among the 6 people present for the robot testing of the Shocker that caused Entourage to be disqualified from the NPPL San Diego event.

The others were David Zinkham (NPPL Scrutineer), Bob Long, Opie, Mike Cota, and Sammy, one of the Dynasty camera men.

This is what actually happened, nothing but the TRUTH.

The Shocker in question had a retail Dynasty Shocker board and was set at debounce 1. On the robot it would shoot anywhere from 2-10 additional shots when programmed to fire 20 times. The disqualification is officially due to "excessive bounce".

NOT RAMPING, NOT CHEATING, just bounce.

I was there. The PBN rumor mongers weren't.

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Old 11-13-2004, 02:32 PM #6
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Well, who plays with a debounce setting of 1 and expects it to be legal?

That's just a hair short of putting a marker in full auto mode.

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Old 11-13-2004, 02:39 PM #7
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^^^^^agree with him. they knew that db1 prolly wasn't legal
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Old 11-13-2004, 03:37 PM #8
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hey flops, do u know whose gun it was?
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Old 11-13-2004, 03:47 PM #9
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I didn't think you could get Dq'ed for bounce at the chrono? I thought they just give you back your marker and say "get the bounce out and come back"

or I could be wrong....

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Thats the problems with the Neo-Nazis/NPPL. If your gun bounces, as in, two extra shots, your DQ'd.
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Old 11-13-2004, 03:49 PM #10
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DB1 isn't deciding to cheat. It's called deciding to take a risk. Apparantly it was a risk not well considered, and it cost them.
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Old 11-13-2004, 03:51 PM #11
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yeah but setting your shocker to db1 is overkill and you can exspect major bounce. honestly i would have expected it to bounce more if it was on db1, well more than at most +50%. specially since they played what like 5 or 6 games already and they just picked it up.
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Old 11-13-2004, 03:54 PM #12
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can someone get me the entourage roster... and whos gun was it
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Old 11-13-2004, 03:59 PM #13
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now they just own d1 and go to pro the season after next
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Old 11-13-2004, 07:09 PM #14
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I agree that anyone running DB1 should expect trouble. However, I think the whole robot thing is a little shady. They don't give you a chance to test your gun at the robot until it's too late, and then they slap you w/ a huge penalty. I say no robot until it's available to players BEFORE the games begin.
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well they dont fool around...rules are rules...
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Old 11-13-2004, 07:33 PM #16
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I didn't think you could get Dq'ed for bounce at the chrono? I thought they just give you back your marker and say "get the bounce out and come back"

or I could be wrong....

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uhh no.


with the robot, if you get caught with an illegal mode (ramping, fullauto, electronic bounce, mechanical bounce, etc) then your entire team is DQed from the tournament. thats about 3000 dollars gone from the teams (or the sponsors) pockets. yikes. i would really hate to be opie or whoevers shocker that was right now.
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Old 11-14-2004, 12:11 AM #18
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it was Mr. Cota's marker i believe
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Old 11-14-2004, 04:21 AM #19
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this whole robot thing is getting way out of hand, honestly the punishment dosent quite match the crime. why get kicked out of the event for one guy, its a bit overkill. also why not check before games, in every other sport they do equipment checks, like in soccer and rugby they check your cleats for a toe cleat to make sure you dont have them so why not check the gun before hand. i say either check before hand or dont worry about it, and with how fast guns shoot these days anyways, and with everyone knowing how to do it, i dont see the advantage in the baords or bounceing so in my eyes its not a major offense.
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this whole robot thing is getting way out of hand, honestly the punishment dosent quite match the crime. why get kicked out of the event for one guy, its a bit overkill. also why not check before games, in every other sport they do equipment checks, like in soccer and rugby they check your cleats for a toe cleat to make sure you dont have them so why not check the gun before hand. i say either check before hand or dont worry about it, and with how fast guns shoot these days anyways, and with everyone knowing how to do it, i dont see the advantage in the baords or bounceing so in my eyes its not a major offense.
so far the best arguement i've heard against em is if you're not concntrating on shooting fast (who the hell concntrates on shooting fast) then you can concentrate on other things. I think bounce is a problem ramping I'm actually all right with oh and what's with the toe cleat thing?
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this whole robot thing is getting way out of hand, honestly the punishment dosent quite match the crime. why get kicked out of the event for one guy, its a bit overkill. also why not check before games, in every other sport they do equipment checks, like in soccer and rugby they check your cleats for a toe cleat to make sure you dont have them so why not check the gun before hand. i say either check before hand or dont worry about it, and with how fast guns shoot these days anyways, and with everyone knowing how to do it, i dont see the advantage in the baords or bounceing so in my eyes its not a major offense.


it's a tournament so they are rules and you by registering a team you agree with this rules !!! .

I'm am totally conviced that he knows that his gun was boucing because before going to the robot you go to chrony so you can test your bounce.
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