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Old 06-17-2014, 08:03 AM #43
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A match format in RaceTo-2 adds some complexity to planning for teams, and it may also increase cost (additional hotel rooms depending on your team). That's a barrier to entry that we don't want to introduce. There's also a good amount of inefficiency when running match-style RaceTo-2 that would reduce the number of teams we can accommodate at an event - absolutely something we don't want to do.

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your saying with the the two min break time its causes that much of a problem. Why i am encouraging it is because it helps develop pit skills that are needed in class a
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:39 AM #44
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your saying with the the two min break time its causes that much of a problem. Why i am encouraging it is because it helps develop pit skills that are needed in class a
The two minute break is a playing issue that teams sort out eventually. The real inefficiency is moving from match to match - without an adequately prepared staff that's run match RaceTo-2 before and large pits, lots of time is spent moving teams and getting them ready to play. It lowers the number of teams that we can actually schedule for a day, which is bad.

We also don't want everyone playing Class A. Class A is inherently designed for large, well-funded, well staffed programs who have the personnel and finances to be able to participate in the format. We frequently find new schools (and former programs) coming back who need a place to play and build their programs - Class AA. It's a format designed to be easy for beginners to pick up and play, yet challenging enough (with the high quality of competition we've seen in the past few years) for teams to stay involved with for an extended period of time.

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Old 06-17-2014, 11:26 AM #45
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The price for the banners vs. trophies/medals is about the same, so it's not a money thing.

It's more:

Team Trophy + Medals: Big team trophy goes in a trophy case somewhere and you get a medal you put somewhere - after you try and haul that team trophy back on the plane.

Banners all around: You get something you can put on your wall that you and other people can actually see what it is and how you got it.


I'm sure not everyone is going to agree, but we all thought the latter was a better option for most people.


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To touch on this some more, I know my team would prefer the trophy+medals as opposed to just the banners. I know that might sound biased since we wouldn't have to get on a plane with a trophy, but if we did then I would gladly struggle with transporting it lol. It could be the size of the Stanley Cup and I would be 100% fine traveling with it simply because I feel that there is much more novelty with a trophy. That's just my 2 cents though
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:16 PM #46
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All I know is I hate the play a team wait 4 games play another team etc etc. I hate the whole waiting to get the best of 3 out of the way. I mean it's not like we are doing race to 4 or 7. What about that new format PSP introduced at MAO? I never heard how it did but it sounded like it could work in the AA. I agree that it is a big jump going from AA to A and I think if we brought a race to format to AA it gives both the team and the school a taste of what it would take to jump to A. I would like to see my school jump up to class A but we feel that AA hasn't really prepared us for that jump. And I think AA should prepare teams for that jump.
Raceto MAXX was probably the worst format I've ever played. I will not play another PSP event with that format implemented, and will never run a RaceTo MAXX event at my field.

Making Class AA into RT4 would certainly be better preparation for Class A (pace-wise). But is the goal to prepare programs to jump into Class A, or provide a cheaper format to schools who are not-so graciously funded? I believe RT2 in Class AA has to do with the latter, keeping costs down while providing a competitive format.
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:47 PM #47
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Raceto MAXX was probably the worst format I've ever played. I will not play another PSP event with that format implemented, and will never run a RaceTo MAXX event at my field.

Making Class AA into RT4 would certainly be better preparation for Class A (pace-wise). But is the goal to prepare programs to jump into Class A, or provide a cheaper format to schools who are not-so graciously funded? I believe RT2 in Class AA has to do with the latter, keeping costs down while providing a competitive format.

Finally someone replied to my comments! Well see that's why I just put the idea out there an the MAXX, I never heard how it did. And as far as making it race to is because from the original post they made it seem like they were hurting for class A teams and wanted to see more join. Also currently AA does not prepare a school for the cost of going to class A either. Also the way the race to 2 is setup currently I don't see as competitive. You play a team once then the rest in your bracket once then play the first team a 2nd time etc etc. In my opinion why can't we play a race to 2 where we play a point then immediately switch sides play the 2nd point and if need be switch for a third point? Much more competitive and keeps cost down if we don't want to go to a race to 4.
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To touch on this some more, I know my team would prefer the trophy+medals as opposed to just the banners. I know that might sound biased since we wouldn't have to get on a plane with a trophy, but if we did then I would gladly struggle with transporting it lol. It could be the size of the Stanley Cup and I would be 100% fine traveling with it simply because I feel that there is much more novelty with a trophy. That's just my 2 cents though
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Finally someone replied to my comments! Well see that's why I just put the idea out there an the MAXX, I never heard how it did. And as far as making it race to is because from the original post they made it seem like they were hurting for class A teams and wanted to see more join. Also currently AA does not prepare a school for the cost of going to class A either. Also the way the race to 2 is setup currently I don't see as competitive. You play a team once then the rest in your bracket once then play the first team a 2nd time etc etc. In my opinion why can't we play a race to 2 where we play a point then immediately switch sides play the 2nd point and if need be switch for a third point? Much more competitive and keeps cost down if we don't want to go to a race to 4.
That would still require AA teams to have someone in the pits essentially. If you play a quick first point teams may have enough extra pods to simply grab those. But, if the first point is a long one then teams that don't have numerous extra pods would need to refill their own pods, get air, clean hits off, and figure out their game plan for the next point all in two minutes. Unless you give them more than 2 minutes which I don't see happening because then there is less time to get points in. Some teams/schools may have an extra player or coach to do that stuff, I know my team travels with 5, maybe 6. So we'd have to bring a couple more people.
Yeah sure we could bring another person or two, but then we need another hotel room and a bigger or additional vehicle, doubling gas cost. It might not increase the cost of the actual tournament and paint, but travel expense would be more. Most teams are traveling and playing on a budget, and not usually a very large budget at that.
I'm not saying I don't like the idea of Race to 2 in the format of 3 back to back to back points, it just requires a few more people that some teams may not have. It isn't a bad idea, as long as we can recruit some players from other schools to fill a few pods for us
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That would still require AA teams to have someone in the pits essentially. If you play a quick first point teams may have enough extra pods to simply grab those. But, if the first point is a long one then teams that don't have numerous extra pods would need to refill their own pods, get air, clean hits off, and figure out their game plan for the next point all in two minutes. Unless you give them more than 2 minutes which I don't see happening because then there is less time to get points in. Some teams/schools may have an extra player or coach to do that stuff, I know my team travels with 5, maybe 6. So we'd have to bring a couple more people.
Yeah sure we could bring another person or two, but then we need another hotel room and a bigger or additional vehicle, doubling gas cost. It might not increase the cost of the actual tournament and paint, but travel expense would be more. Most teams are traveling and playing on a budget, and not usually a very large budget at that.
I'm not saying I don't like the idea of Race to 2 in the format of 3 back to back to back points, it just requires a few more people that some teams may not have. It isn't a bad idea, as long as we can recruit some players from other schools to fill a few pods for us
Very valid point. I know it would increase our cost as well since our school only allows 1 person per bed. As far as the recruiting other players I know JMU had local high school kids pod for them. How I know this is because we know their team pretty well and one of those kids came to an open house at VMI. Well maybe we can have it put to a vote just like class A can vote between full and race to 7?


Onto another topic, jerseys. Why are we the only league that doesn't allow padding? I understand oh macho etc etc but to be realistic it does give a competitive edge. More college teams are playing tournaments in other leagues besides just the NCPA and representing their school. Doing so players sometimes are required to buy two jerseys one with and one without padding. I know Naval Academy does this for when they playing EPL. Why not just do padding?
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Yeah sure we could bring another person or two, but then we need another hotel room
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Onto another topic, jerseys. Why are we the only league that doesn't allow padding? I understand oh macho etc etc but to be realistic it does give a competitive edge.
This is precisely why we don't allow padding - no team should have a competitive advantage over another team based on the quality of jersey they can buy.
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Very valid point. I know it would increase our cost as well since our school only allows 1 person per bed. As far as the recruiting other players I know JMU had local high school kids pod for them. How I know this is because we know their team pretty well and one of those kids came to an open house at VMI. Well maybe we can have it put to a vote just like class A can vote between full and race to 7?


Onto another topic, jerseys. Why are we the only league that doesn't allow padding? I understand oh macho etc etc but to be realistic it does give a competitive edge. More college teams are playing tournaments in other leagues besides just the NCPA and representing their school. Doing so players sometimes are required to buy two jerseys one with and one without padding. I know Naval Academy does this for when they playing EPL. Why not just do padding?
AFAIK USNA hasn't played an EPL event yet. Also, the team got a second jersey because of the raza package purchased. (Source: I just graduated, and played)

I like the no padding. Easier to feel hits.
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AFAIK USNA hasn't played an EPL event yet. Also, the team got a second jersey because of the raza package purchased. (Source: I just graduated, and played)

I like the no padding. Easier to feel hits.
I was under the impression from your captain as that was the reason why you had the padded jerseys to play epl.
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This is precisely why we don't allow padding - no team should have a competitive advantage over another team based on the quality of jersey they can buy.
If everyone has it then there would be no competitive edge. Also pro teams sponsored by dye don't use padded jerseys but the rest of the teams do and there isn't really a huge difference. I understand we aren't pro teams even though some pros play on our teams.
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If everyone has it then there would be no competitive edge. Also pro teams sponsored by dye don't use padded jerseys but the rest of the teams do and there isn't really a huge difference. I understand we aren't pro teams even though some pros play on our teams.
I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. You first state that there's a competitive edge to allow padding, then you state that there wouldn't be a competitive advantage to doing so? You're making a flawed assumption here that all padded jerseys are equal, and that all teams choose to (or can afford to) wear a padded jersey. Neither of those statements are true. Look just at Raza and compare their jersey lineup from top to bottom - you can definitely buy up to a jersey with more padding. Not every team wears jerseys either - some teams choose to use long-sleeve tees, especially newer teams who can't afford to budget an extra $60-$100 for custom (or non-custom, for that matter) jerseys.

In any case, padding in jerseys is one position where we feel that we are setting a standard, and we're happy with the end result.

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Onto another topic, jerseys. Why are we the only league that doesn't allow padding? I understand oh macho etc etc but to be realistic it does give a competitive edge. More college teams are playing tournaments in other leagues besides just the NCPA and representing their school. Doing so players sometimes are required to buy two jerseys one with and one without padding. I know Naval Academy does this for when they playing EPL. Why not just do padding?
We (UConn) are currently playing the NEXL season up here in Boston with our NCPA jerseys and really aren't seeing that much of a difference padding vs no padding-wise. As far as it adding a competitive edge I think just keeping it without padding shouldn't be a big deal as 95% of the teams that play NCPA don't play other formats.
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Although I really did like the banners from this year, and it is pretty cool to show to people that visit. It's definitely more obvious than a medal on the wall.
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I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. You first state that there's a competitive edge to allow padding, then you state that there wouldn't be a competitive advantage to doing so? You're making a flawed assumption here that all padded jerseys are equal, and that all teams choose to (or can afford to) wear a padded jersey. Neither of those statements are true. Look just at Raza and compare their jersey lineup from top to bottom - you can definitely buy up to a jersey with more padding. Not every team wears jerseys either - some teams choose to use long-sleeve tees, especially newer teams who can't afford to budget an extra $60-$100 for custom (or non-custom, for that matter) jerseys.

In any case, padding in jerseys is one position where we feel that we are setting a standard, and we're happy with the end result.

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Joe,

I see where you're talking about. In my original post it was supposed to say it's not a huge competitive edge. I was just curious not trying to raise a huge debate. I just remember at one point padding was allowed and now it's not and was curious to why. But now I know why haha.
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