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Old 09-22-2013, 09:18 PM #1
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Get Checked by Ref Before Hanging Flag ?

When we go to hang a flag, we usually have a teammate check for a hit before hanging. But, is there any reason (besides time) we couldn't just ask a ref to do a paint check before hanging it? But, almost no one does that, so I'm wondering if there's some rule I'm not aware of. I don't think I've ever seen anyone ask for a paint check, including myself.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:50 PM #2
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If a ref was to check you and you were hit you and a friend would be pulled for playing on more than likely.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:51 PM #3
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Old 09-23-2013, 09:09 AM #4
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If a ref was to check you and you were hit you and a friend would be pulled for playing on more than likely.
That's the penalty I'd issue. Best to have team mate do it, or check yourself if you're the last one left.
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Old 09-24-2013, 12:18 AM #5
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I ran into this reffing a mock-game for an upcoming tourney we put on. I was new to reffing at the time, and the dude had me checking him over, spinning around and whatnot so I could check his pack. The head ref came over and said don't check the player until he hangs the flag.

If you catch him with a hit, he'll likely pass the flag to a teammate so they can still get the clean point, as opposed to him unknowingly collecting himself a dirty hang. It's the teammates responsibility to check the player before the hang.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:06 AM #6
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It isn't a referee's job to "give" penalties, but rather to assess them when a player earns them. There is no reason a player cannot ask a referee to check them at any point in time, however by doing so, they open up the possibility of earning a penalty for a hit they may have known or not known they had. That's why its best to ask a teammate to check you.
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Old 11-25-2013, 01:42 PM #7
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If you ask a teammate to check you and they say you are hit though, what do you do at that point? Wipe? Admit it and get a penalty anyway? Seems like there needs to be some clause in the rules to allow a player to ask for a paint check and not get in trouble for being honest. Penalizing honesty will just encourage more wiping.
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:16 PM #8
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Ultimately it's the ref's discretion if they assess a penalty in that matter...typically top of the hopper and middle of the pack I wouldn't call a penalty...unless the circumstances prior to the check stated otherwise (spray on goggles or flinching when the pack was hit). Anything else whether or not your buddy checks you or not will get you and your buddy pulled on my field.
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:23 PM #9
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If you ask a teammate to check you and they say you are hit though, what do you do at that point? Wipe? Admit it and get a penalty anyway? Seems like there needs to be some clause in the rules to allow a player to ask for a paint check and not get in trouble for being honest. Penalizing honesty will just encourage more wiping.
If you are hit and a teammate points it out, call yourself out. If the referee didn't know it was there already, a penalty most likely will not be assessed. Not to say it won't be, but it generally isn't.

Also, we don't penalize honesty. Honesty implies the player thought that he was hit and at that moment asked for a paint check. Not ran down the field, grabbed the flag, and decided he might be hit. Also, a lot of players will try and get called clean before the hang when they know they're hit. If a referee calls them clean and then assesses a penalty on something that he/she didn't see originally, it takes credit from the official and causes a mess.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:04 AM #10
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PSP rulebook 6.8.8

6.8.8. A player who asks a teammate or judge to verify a hit that the player could have verified unassisted will be assessed a major penalty
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:31 PM #11
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PSP rulebook 6.8.8

6.8.8. A player who asks a teammate or judge to verify a hit that the player could have verified unassisted will be assessed a major penalty
I believe your missing the idea of the original question that implies the flag hanger is asking for a check on places he/she can't verify themselves.
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Old 12-28-2013, 06:35 PM #12
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The way I was taught during the PSP clinic last season I attended, was that penalties are more off of "intent". If a ref has to come find you with a hit, you're going to get a penalty, the question now is, is it a major or minor. If it appears you didn't know the hit was there when a ref sees/finds it, then it's a minor. If you should have known the hit was there, then it's a major. If you have to ask me to come check you, to me that is saying that you feel you might have been hit, but you kept playing, especially if you're doing so after everyone is eliminated and you are running the flag in. You're now opening yourself up to get a major penalty, because you've been playing, and are now asking for a check. It's not like you got shot at, jumped in your bunker, then asked for a check on a spot you can't see.

I will say, I have reffed and head reffed a large amount of local events, but have yet to ref a PSP event.

That's my 0.02 on the situation
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PSP rulebook 6.8.8

6.8.8. A player who asks a teammate or judge to verify a hit that the player could have verified unassisted will be assessed a major penalty
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I believe your missing the idea of the original question that implies the flag hanger is asking for a check on places he/she can't verify themselves.
No, he is understanding it perfectly. The only place the player should be calling a check on his back(major) or his pack. If the hit is on his pack, the player could not have verified it without the help of another person. Players are not supposed to just ask for a full body paint check, if you are supposed to tell the judge where to check.
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The way I was taught during the PSP clinic last season I attended, was that penalties are more off of "intent". If a ref has to come find you with a hit, you're going to get a penalty, the question now is, is it a major or minor. If it appears you didn't know the hit was there when a ref sees/finds it, then it's a minor. If you should have known the hit was there, then it's a major. If you have to ask me to come check you, to me that is saying that you feel you might have been hit, but you kept playing, especially if you're doing so after everyone is eliminated and you are running the flag in. You're now opening yourself up to get a major penalty, because you've been playing, and are now asking for a check. It's not like you got shot at, jumped in your bunker, then asked for a check on a spot you can't see.

I will say, I have reffed and head reffed a large amount of local events, but have yet to ref a PSP event.

That's my 0.02 on the situation
This has its truth, however, if a player calls you to check a hit that he could have simply looked it, it could be a penalty because he could have checked it. The job of a referee is to determine if players are hit and to determine if that hit is in an obvious position on the body, or not. It is not to determine whether or not the player knows that he is hit.
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