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Old 01-23-2014, 02:24 PM #1
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Insight number three was having issues with not shooting every time the trigger was pulled using older Valkeen paint Saturday, so Troubleshot the issue and resolved the issue with at least my marker. When I turned the eyes off, it shot almost normal ... The cause I don't understand, but here is what fixed it for me.
Turns out the Debounce was set to 2 ms, Mech Debouce was set to 3 and bolt delay was set to 15 from the factory (and also in the factory reset)
Both of my previous Insights were set to a Debounce of 12ms, Mech delay of 4 and Bolt Delay of 25 ms from the factory (also Factory reset settings) ...
After I set the new Insight to those settings it shot just fine and picked up all the trigger pulls ...
************** "Original" New (Vic Settings) What works well for me:
Debounce ... ******12ms ****** 2ms *********** 12ms
Mech Debounce ...***04 ******* 03 ************* 04
Trigger Filter ... **** 06 ******* 06 ************** 06
Dwell:*********** 9ms ****** 12ms ************ 10.5ms
Bolt Delay: ******* 25ms ***** 15ms ************ 25ms
BD Delay: ******** 8ms ****** 8ms ************* 8ms

I just took my Multicam Insight set it to the new Victory settings above and it behaved exactly the same as the newer Insight I received a few weeks ago. It would not pick up every trigger pull on Semi, and it would not Ramp ... well, it wouldn't sustain a ramp ... It would shoot a few, then pause ... like it wasn't seeing the paint, although it was ... it would exhibit the exact behavior that a few of you have reported.
Reset it to the original settings minus the Dwell I set to 10.5ms and it shot perfect again.
I honestly think it is a board settings issue and how they are interacting with the Insight Engine. It is the only thing that makes sense to me. It is reproducible on multiple Insights using the Victory Settings ... I'll try the BCA insight and see if it does the same thing.
I call them Victory settings because my newest VIS came with the 5.19bd flash and was set to
Debounce: 02ms
Mech Debounce: 03
Trigger Filter: 06
Bolt Delay: 15ms
Those setting work just fine with both the VIS and Vcom Engines, but seem to cause issues with the Insight engine. Bob thinks what is happening is the Bolt is moving rearward so fast that the lower settings of the Victory are not "seeing" that the bolt moved back and a ball dropped in which is causing the weird firing behavior.
Some have had success using 4C eyes with the Victory factory settings, Although you shouldn't need to buy a $50 upgrade to have your marker shoot like it should. Try the board settings above and see how they work for you.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:29 PM #2
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:29 PM #3
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:01 PM #4
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Just received my insight today! I will post a picture later today or tomorrow. I need to get the board updated though..currently has 5.1.

Also...how can I tell if I have the updated o-rings (noob questions, I know, sorry).

From the little time I spent with it during my lunch break, it feels awesome in my hands.
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Just received my insight today! I will post a picture later today or tomorrow. I need to get the board updated though..currently has 5.1.

Also...how can I tell if I have the updated o-rings (noob questions, I know, sorry).

From the little time I spent with it during my lunch break, it feels awesome in my hands.
You should have urethane orings (Clear) on the back of the bolt. You should also have a very tight fitting oring (2mm X20mm) holding the brass part in the front can. If the brass piece comes out easy, then you probably have the original oring.
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Old 01-23-2014, 07:24 PM #6
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You should have urethane orings (Clear) on the back of the bolt. You should also have a very tight fitting oring (2mm X20mm) holding the brass part in the front can. If the brass piece comes out easy, then you probably have the original oring.
Spot on. If you need the upgraded o-rings I would give BLAST a call tomorrow and they will send you one of each.
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Just checked...still have the old o-rings. I will give BLAST a call tomorrow..figure out the o-rings as well as getting the board update. Thanks.

Anyhow, here is my new Insight.
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I like that color scheme. What board flash do you have currently?
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Old 01-24-2014, 11:48 AM #9
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You will definitely want the flash upgrade then that will include the ball delay or BIP setting. I would call BLAST, they'll get you squared away. The latest flash is still 5.19 I believe.
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Ya I called them earlier. They are sending me the new o-rings and then I'll need to send them my board to be flashed. Its 5.19BD I believe? Also checked with them about extra barrel backs which I may do in the future..
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Correct 5.19BD ... it added the ball delay or ball in place setting to account for any breach bounce that may happen at the end of a hopper.
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Using the BCA Insight today reinforced for me just how much I like this maker ... It is honestly probably the perfect marker for my needs at this point.
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I'm Looking forward to seeing it. Why did you send it in to BLAST if you don't mind me asking?
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I got my Insight Saturday. I only got to dry fire it. im hoping to shoots some paint threw it this sunday. my color is dusk black with gloss black parts.
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For those that have sent their boards in for flashing...how did you send your board? In a padded envelope or did you send it in a box?
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For those that have sent their boards in for flashing...how did you send your board? In a padded envelope or did you send it in a box?
I shipped the entire gun in a flat rate box cost me $12 to ship 2 guns from Florida and was there in 2 days
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