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Old 10-08-2013, 06:56 PM #295
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It really isn't far fetched, why would a team like the TonTons need to cheat? Especially with the history and success they've had this year? Makes NO sense.
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Ton Tons all the way! lol Psp blows anyways! Better off playing somewhere that they will get a fair shake. Accidents are accidents stuff happens. I seriously doubt the reaction would be the same if it were to happen to the all mighty God gifted Dynasty team.
For real, if the psp wants to start implementing penalties after the fact, then maybe they should, start watching all video and everytime they see some one wipe, plan on, etc hit them with penalties going into the next tournement.

Yes maybe Voulot's gun was malfunctioning, but only on the first and secound shot.

What was up with the Ironmen adjusting velocity at the start gate? Oh no, one of the oldestest teams in paintball history wouldn't cheat! (Sarcasm)

Where are the additional sanctions for CEP? Oh wait they are the crappy team from Alabama, and the TonTon's are the silly frenchmen.

Im sorry that these hypocritical Americans have treated you so unjustly, TonTon's, you are a great team, and will be missed.
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I'm Loic Voulot, #25, TonTon player. The player who has been banned 3 games for a shoot at 352 fps
As you can see I don't post a lot, but now I have to.

We say in french "Ne parle pas aux abrutis, ša les intruit", means sometime you have to be patient and not response to people talking about you.
BUT when Chris Raehl starts to say lies on me, I have to take position.

First I want to apology for my broken english, this is not my mother language, I ll try to do my best.

Chris is a liar, or stupid, or both and I can not see why he is doing this. Chris is one of the top manager of the PSP, is he talking for himself or is it a way for the PSP to send a message to us?

Chris, I'm the player with the gun shooting at 352fps and I'm not the durty cheater you want to describe.
As we explained many times, I had a oring trouble on my stock gun. I want to say it loud and clear, my gun is a stock gun, from the board to the regulator. The 352 shoot was ONLY the first one, absolutely not during a game. My gun WAS NOT shooting at 352 fps!!

After this game I was at the meeting between, Dave Youngblood, Tom Cole, Damien (Supr'airball staff to translate for me), Fabrice Colombo and me. You were not there but you are talking like you were there and know everything.
I can give you an advice, instead of saying bull*****, you can ask to the PSP to give you my gun and have a look on it. I left America without the gun.
The tech that opened my gun, I mean totally dismounted my gun said to Dave and Tom that the gun was 100% stock and nothing prove that it was intentional to shoot hot. It was a gun trouble, exactly the same that a CEP player had, shooting at 406 fps, in this case again, only the first shoot.
Dave Youngblood himself explained to Tom that the hyper3 oring was looking like a "donut", leaking, increasing the pressure in the gun as long as you wait.
I invite you to watch again the game on pbaccess. You ll see that I had a minor during the first 20 shoots the ref did with my gun (304fps, yellow flag).
It s only minutes after, when the ref came again, my gun have spent minutes on the grass under the sun, my first shoot was at 352 fps, then one at 320 fps then all the shoots under 300fps.

I m 100% sorry for this, I know I had not spent enough time to take care of my gun, to change the orings, to open the gun, grease it. This is an oversight mistake, far away from what you talk about on this forum. This is a big mistake, absolutely not professional but oversight does not mean cheating.

You are the n░3 or 4 of the PSP, you speak and write a good english, you manage the college paintball, good for you. It does not mean you are right.
You don't know who I am, what I do and where I come from but you take the right to judge me and say lies.
You can find hundreds of examples in other sports, try to compare, I really don't care because from the beginning, you're lying about me and the team.
You use PSP releases to argue, so what do you think about this part

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6. Some TonTon equipment was confiscated and checked by techs.
7. There's no evidence that the guns were intentionally set up to cheat. Nothing about the guns and what they were doing would have given any real advantage to the team using them.
The TonTon's are not dirty cheating bastards - or at least the facts of this situation do not prove or even lean toward that conclusion.

The PSP did not knowingly let them play games with break out modes because we were too lazy to do anything, have no regard for safety, or any other of the ridiculous reasons people have surmised.

Additional penalties will be forthcoming. There is no evidence that the TonTon's engaged in intentional acts to gain advantage over teams and no evidence that malice was involved. Knowing the actual facts about what the guns were doing and/or not doing - there's no reason to believe the issues gave them any actual unfair advantage during competition.

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Once again, I'm so sorry for this oversight mistake, I run a paintball school, I'm the national French selection captain and member of the France paintball federation, I ll continue to put 100% of my energy to practice hard all year long to be more competitive on the field and promote as good as possible my passion.
I don't need to cheat, I don't want to cheat and I have never cheated, I won't start today.

I want to thank all the smart people that understood we made a mistake, all the people that support us, it counts a lot.
We made a mistake, we respect the rules, we accept the punishment but I ca not accept how you try to deform the reality.

There is a big difference between you and me, Chris.
You say on a public space that my team and I are cheater, with no proof, using lies.
I say you're a stupid liar with about 20 posts on this thread as proofs.

Feel free to reach me by private message if you want to continue your vendetta but be sure I will not waste time to answer you right here. It does not help paintball and more important, I don't understand why you do this.

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Much love for this response.

Too many questions left from certain posts in this thread, that went against psp postings.

I wish you all the best of luck, the TonTons will be missed!!
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Don't want to be part of any debate, just wanted to lend my vocal support to TonTons and say that, in my eyes, the PSP has really hurt their image and done a huge disservice to themselves and the sport of paintball as a whole.
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Don't want to be part of any debate, just wanted to lend my vocal support to TonTons and say that, in my eyes, the PSP has really hurt their image and done a huge disservice to themselves and the sport of paintball as a whole.
Agreed, wholeheartedly. Obvious over-penalization happened, and I've never seen Aftershock or CEP get crazy penalties such as the TonTons.
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now i think we all should attack DYE or DYE o-rings for all this bull they have caused. "DYE your the ones to blame NOT THE TONTONS" grrrrr.......
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:18 PM #301
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I'd be down to donate some $$$ for ton tons to come to cup and kick *** ! I think someone owes Ton Tons an apology ( Chris )
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:25 PM #302
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Wait pro players go on record saying they never cheated, had no intention of cheating, and had no knowledge of any wrong doing???

Where have I heard THAT one before...?
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I enjoyed reading the players responses. True to heart and stated as a matter of fact. Thats class.
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Old 10-08-2013, 11:43 PM #304
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Ton Tons all the way! lol Psp blows anyways! Better off playing somewhere that they will get a fair shake. Accidents are accidents stuff happens. I seriously doubt the reaction would be the same if it were to happen to the all mighty God gifted Dynasty team.
are you seriously going to try to say that Dynasty isn't "God gifted". tontons have had great treatment. they've even won world cup in d1 in 2010. they got busted. nuff said.
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What was up with the Ironmen adjusting velocity at the start gate? Oh no, one of the oldestest teams in paintball history wouldn't cheat! (Sarcasm)
Tired of reading about that as an argument for anything in this thread.

For all you (and others using the same argument) know, he was turning his gun down.....
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:32 AM #306
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I am really sad that this stupid incident will most likely hinder more exchange between europe and us. European Teams pullout of psp and us Teams pull out of the Millennium. It is a shame. Could habe really brought paintball towards the next Level...
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Ton Tons all the way! lol Psp blows anyways! Better off playing somewhere that they will get a fair shake. Accidents are accidents stuff happens. I seriously doubt the reaction would be the same if it were to happen to the all mighty God gifted Dynasty team.
Do you even have PSP experience? All you do is make unfounded attacks on the PSP in every post I've seen.
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As we explained many times, I had a oring trouble on my stock gun. I want to say it loud and clear, my gun is a stock gun, from the board to the regulator. The 352 shoot was ONLY the first one, absolutely not during a game. My gun WAS NOT shooting at 352 fps!!

Dave Youngblood himself explained to Tom that the hyper3 oring was looking like a "donut", leaking, increasing the pressure in the gun as long as you wait.
I invite you to watch again the game on pbaccess. You ll see that I had a minor during the first 20 shoots the ref did with my gun (304fps, yellow flag).
It s only minutes after, when the ref came again, my gun have spent minutes on the grass under the sun, my first shoot was at 352 fps, then one at 320 fps then all the shoots under 300fps.
Loic, can you clarify something please? I haven't seen any of your comments on this and would like to hear from you directly.

Nobody is suggesting that you used that gun to gain a competitive advantage. The more common claim is that you knew the velocity was increasing ("reg creep") and chose to use it anyway because it would stay below 300fps while being fired continuously. The problem is that you can get it to chrono under 300fps and still have the velocity increase above 300fps if there are pauses in shooting once the game starts. Did you know the regulator was malfunctioning before you received the penalty?

Either way, I'm sorry to see that your team has withdrawn from the PSP. I would have liked to see your team move forward despite the sanctions and prove your honesty in future events. Good luck to you in Europe.
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Do you even have PSP experience? All you do is make unfounded attacks on the PSP in every post I've seen.

Loic, can you clarify something please? I haven't seen any of your comments on this and would like to hear from you directly.

Nobody is suggesting that you used that gun to gain a competitive advantage. The more common claim is that you knew the velocity was increasing ("reg creep") and chose to use it anyway because it would stay below 300fps while being fired continuously. The problem is that you can get it to chrono under 300fps and still have the velocity increase above 300fps if there are pauses in shooting once the game starts. Did you know the regulator was malfunctioning before you received the penalty?

Either way, I'm sorry to see that your team has withdrawn from the PSP. I would have liked to see your team move forward despite the sanctions and prove your honesty in future events. Good luck to you in Europe.

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Do you even have PSP experience? All you do is make unfounded attacks on the PSP in every post I've seen.

Loic, can you clarify something please? I haven't seen any of your comments on this and would like to hear from you directly.

Nobody is suggesting that you used that gun to gain a competitive advantage. The more common claim is that you knew the velocity was increasing ("reg creep") and chose to use it anyway because it would stay below 300fps while being fired continuously. The problem is that you can get it to chrono under 300fps and still have the velocity increase above 300fps if there are pauses in shooting once the game starts. Did you know the regulator was malfunctioning before you received the penalty?

Either way, I'm sorry to see that your team has withdrawn from the PSP. I would have liked to see your team move forward despite the sanctions and prove your honesty in future events. Good luck to you in Europe.
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No I did not know the velocity was increasing like this.
15 min before the start of the game, when I pressurized my gun, the first ball did not get shot, it stayed in the barrel and the second one broke it. I thought that my gun can have a small drop off (i m not sure of that term, I mean I though the velocity of my first shoot was going down if I wait). It happens sometime with all the gun, especially the spool valve guns.
As you can see on the video, before all the points (and I can say for all the games, points, tournaments I played this year), I m always shooting on the floor, even 3 seconds before the buzzer to avoid this and be sure my gun works perfectly.
Waiting to increase the velocity of a single shoot and shooting on the floor every 5 seconds is a little paradoxical.
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No I did not know the velocity was increasing like this.
15 min before the start of the game, when I pressurized my gun, the first ball did not get shot, it stayed in the barrel and the second one broke it. I thought that my gun can have a small drop off (i m not sure of that term, I mean I though the velocity of my first shoot was going down if I wait). It happens sometime with all the gun, especially the spool valve guns.
As you can see on the video, before all the points (and I can say for all the games, points, tournaments I played this year), I m always shooting on the floor, even 3 seconds before the buzzer to avoid this and be sure my gun works perfectly.
Waiting to increase the velocity of a single shoot and shooting on the floor every 5 seconds is a little paradoxical.

After all most of the claims just make no sense... Why go through so much trouble to achieve a respected status to cheat? There is no logic.
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Re-read what you said eforce. You are contradicting yourself.
How so? I made no accusations and asked Loic for his own explanation of what happened.
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And another note, even if a gun was shooting hot on the breal, and only on the break, it would be well below 300fps by the time it made it across the field, so not that dangerous.

We learned this in elementry school, gravity and air resistance decrease velocity.
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