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Old 09-16-2013, 02:06 PM #1
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So I have been following the Dmag closely and am soon going to be finishing my A5 to MK5 dmag conversion... This is my second dmag build the first was a MKV. However, I have been less than impressed first with the quality of Tacamos MKV conversion and then with the Dmag conversion for that.
I will start with the mag conversion:
When I opened my mag conversion box I was really excited. It was purchased for a Salvo that had an eframe. I was first immidiately disappointed to realize that my eframe would not fit in the conversions small clamshell grip frame, however undaunted I determined with a 20 round mag 3 round burst and full auto were luxturies I did not need. I found the stock parts and proceeded with the frame assembly. I found the frame almost impossible to assemble and ultimately it cracked and broke in a couple places due to the supplied pins being larger than the holes they are meant to fit in. Shoddy design or construction maybe both... Anyways determined to shoot my gun that day I finished assembly. I was also disappointed to learn that my handgaurd off the salvo would not fit the MKV body that is labeled to work with the salvo without major moddification to the handguard and the body. I patched and held the frame together just well enough that it might shoot once assembeled and got the gun together. It did shoot and the mag fed. So I called Rap4 about the frame and they told me that I was free to purchase another cheap and worthless frame for the low price of 30 + shipping. I said I would pass. Having determined that RAP4 would not support their product I decided to go ahead and do the milling for the handguard and got that attached only complaint there other than the excessive milling required was that the rail on the body is substantially lower than the rail on the handgaurd (which was a similar experiance to the A-5s barrel mounted hand guard compaired to the MK-5 body. I still was not satisfied with the frame so I went to my local proshop on a hunch that perhaps a stock frame off of an a5 or BT gun might work. It turns out a BT-4 frame fits the MKV just fine without modification and works flawlessly, so word to the wise buy a BT-4 frame when you get an MKV conversion (my local proshop does not even sell assembled MKVs with the stock frame they put a BT on). It is so much easier to work with. Anyways when the Dmag conversion came out I bought one for the MKV and installed it.. Again instant disappointment... first the mag well didnt fit the body it was made for... I was forced to shave the well down slightly in order for it to fit the body comfortably. Once on I could not get a d-mag to fit in the well and lock. I was forced to take the insert out of the mag well and cut it down to allow the mag to fit and lock. Which this is a somewhat difficault situation as the mag well will not work if I took to much off it. I got it working and am now happy with its performance but still unhappy with RAP4. Two weeks ago I submitted reviews of both products explaining my exact experiance with both product in a similar way to what you see here only in alittle more detail on the proceedure required to fix their product.... (not rudely) RAP4 has refused to even post the product reviews at this time. Are these reacurring problems for RAP4 custumers or was it just my bad luck of the draw? If that is the level of quality and customer care RAP4 can be expected to give then I thank them for the consepts they distribute but would challenge them to step up on their customer relations and quality control.
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:58 AM #2
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I could write pages of (C)RAP4 horror stories...
I bought a RAM shotgun when it was released about 5+ years ago.Never would crono,IF it fed would break balls.Went to return it or have it serviced,their "gun tech" didn't know how to adjust the velocity or disassemble it,I ended up showing him how myself.Wouldn't return it or give me store credit.Decided I could fix it myself,it's a Nelson valves gun so how complicated could it be.Found out the bolt and valve specialist 1/8 smaller than any other Nelson out there,tried springs,porting etc.Still doesn't work
This past Sunday I had new guest at our field.They had bought 2 new 468s.After 4 trips to RAP4 there guns STILL didn't work,air was shooting out of ever crack and crevice.Same deal for them,no returns or store credit.They haven't had any field time with their markers.This is just one of at least a dozen stories I've had players at our field tell me.
This really burns me up as most of these folks are new to paintball.I feel it's really bad for our sport as it turns people off to playing when their new markers won't work.This was confirmed by my guest this weekend,it's exactly what she said.Luckily we all have backups we loaned them
If there customer service and quality was half as good as their promotion of their products they might be a legit company.Seems their advertising budget takes priority over their R&D and quality control.
Sad to me so many legit companies have gone away and they're still selling CRAP.I look forward to the day when they're no longer in business
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:48 PM #3
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If you cant work on the 468 then you should not be playing paintball! It is one of the easiest markers to maintain and fix. Besides being a spyder clone, its all common sense to me. But maybe it is because i have been playing for 16 years? I have several people who have used either the 468's, or conversion kits and no one has had an issue with them. Also when calling RAP4 ask to speak with Omar or John in the Tech department. The sales dept. does not know much about anything there.
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:14 PM #4
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Anything should work out of the box or at least hold air,just saying
New players shouldn't have to work on their markers,or at least there should be someone on staff that can help them
I would have fixed them myself but didn't want to void their warranty if there is one
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Old 09-17-2013, 09:46 PM #5
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Yeah I know how to work on guns but when I get new parts or guns I expect them to work out of the box... And they should support their products... They arent the worst customer service I have encountered (I had a major high end gun company refuse to return any of seven emails at least rap4 answered their phone) but even JT back when they were just a low end blow back company offered better support and replaced parts at no charge. I have even gotten better customer service from Brass Eagle back when was first starting paintball. A friend of mine had a faulty insert for a septer kit and they sent him new a new insert and several compimetary products as an I'm sorry... that is service... its a shame RAP4 has chosen to be just an industry piece of paintball and not join the community
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