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Old 03-17-2013, 10:36 PM #43
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Did you watch the videos in the news thread? It comes with a really nice looking neoprene case with a barrel holder and everything. I'm actually more interested in the case than the Vanquish..
Neoprene vs a decent hard case (ie: any eclipse case, or Luxe case). Yea no thanks neoprene
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:48 AM #44
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One thing to remember, it's always easier to make it LESS expensive, than to make it more expensive. If sales are not at the anticipated level the price will drop. From a couple of stories I have heard, I do not believe that the marketing department over at KEE has that much experience playing or being a part of the paintball community. This is just an opinion though.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:49 AM #45
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Planet Eclipse is doing it now, Dye, and now Empire. The funny part is they act like it's a feature. I think Jack Wood said the rubber on the new Ego actually costs MORE than the aluminum version would have been.

What I think is funny is VERY low-end guns have rubber all over the foregrip. Most mid-end guns are all aluminum. But then our super expensive high-end guns have rubber covering the front half again? It seems like the rubber is cheaper to me if it started out on something like Tippmann Gryphon. Most technology that improves guns comes out in high-end stuff first and seeps down to lower end guns, but not this trend...
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:58 AM #46
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:08 AM #47
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Think about it. The rubber on the guns does have to drive up the cost. They still have to machine all of the aluminum that goes under the rubber. It would cost not more really to clean it up and leave it aluminum. Then you add extra machine time to make spots to anchor the rubber, create molds to make the rubber parts, add another material to the cost of the gun and you have a increase in production cost.
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Neoprene vs a decent hard case (ie: any eclipse case, or Luxe case). Yea no thanks neoprene
I personally prefer the soft cases. Easier to pack multiple guns into a gear bag.

Otherwise I agree. As much as I like the new stuff they've done, the price point is too high for me to take a spin with the vanquish.

Maybe after a price drop..
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:09 AM #49
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Will it shoot better than an lv1?....that is the question
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Think about it. The rubber on the guns does have to drive up the cost. They still have to machine all of the aluminum that goes under the rubber. It would cost not more really to clean it up and leave it aluminum. Then you add extra machine time to make spots to anchor the rubber, create molds to make the rubber parts, add another material to the cost of the gun and you have a increase in production cost.
Initially the costs would be higher. However, I think it's going to be cheaper for them in the long run. Rubber is still cheaper than aluminum. I also think the machining costs would be less because the milling is less intricate under the covered portions.

I don't think the rubber on the Vanquish is that bad though. I do wish it was more stylized like Dyes foregrips. The foregrip on the LV is just ugly though. It gave me the impression PE did it because they knew some people would buy it for the new valve setup no matter what the outside looked like. It also leaves them with cosmetic aspects that can be improved so they can sell even more of the 'LV2.015' or whatever it will be called.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:51 AM #51
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Initially the costs would be higher. However, I think it's going to be cheaper for them in the long run. Rubber is still cheaper than aluminum. I also think the machining costs would be less because the milling is less intricate under the covered portions.
I cannot speak for rubber components, but for injection molded plastic parts, the tooling costs are usually much higher than a comparable metal part ($30-40k for the mold - not including the machine). At least in my industry.
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That's interesting, I didn't know something simple like a small mold would cost 40k. So is the cost of the rubber itself comparable to the aluminum? I was talking about the long term costs after they bought the molds and machines.
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Once the tooling is paid for, it's certainly cheaper.

But that'll take ALOT of Vanquishes sold...
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And 40k would likely be high for something like this. My products are far more complex than a simple rubber grip.

But $15-20k would no be out of the question.
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