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Old 02-18-2013, 07:24 PM #64
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Problem? No. It's in the news because it's a big scandal.

How long does it take before you can be a full member of the Catholic church traditionally?

Holy **** you're dragging the Affordable Care Act in here? Snoozefest.
Why is it a scandal? If the Catholic Church is so archaic and irrelevant in today's world why make such a big deal that one of it's leaders is "retiring." Now is the sex abuse issue finished? No but at least the Church under Benedict XVI's guidance is facing this problem. He's certainly done more to address this issue than John Paul II has. Is he running from this issue. I doubt it. If he was he should've quit when the scandal hit it's height in Ireland in 2010. Pope Benedict told the German journalist Peter Seewald that "if a pope clearly realizes that he is no longer physically, psychologically, and spiritually capable of handling the duties of office, then he has a right and, under some circumstances, also an obligation to resign." Later that year he said to Seewald:

"When the danger is great one must not run away. For that reason, now is certainly not the time to resign. Precisely at a time like this one must stand fast and endure the difficult situation. That is my view. One can resign at a peaceful moment or when one simply cannot go on. But one must not run away from danger and say that someone else should do it."

Keep in mind that this was at the height of the clerical sex abuse scandal which was late winter and early spring of 2010. So I don’t think the sex scandal is the reason why he is abdicating. The scandal may have played a part in his declining physical health but the media saying that he's just running away or trying to avoid this issue is based more on anti-catholicism feelings rather than fact.


How long does it take to become a member of the Catholic Church traditionally? Depending on the region...a couple days or months. Without getting into too much detail most Catholics baptize their infants which means these infants become members of the Christian family and are now members of the Catholic Church within the first few months of their birth.


I did not bring up the HHS mandate to be discussed. I brought it up to make a point regarding the US Catholic Bishops and my comment that many times the Catholic Church is more reactive to situations rather than proactive. The point I'm trying to make is that if the Catholic Church was more proactive...i.e. properly catechizing it's members and providing ministries and services to deal with various "issues" before they become a big problem such as teen suicides it wouldn't be having to "react" to situations that have grown so large that they are almost impossible to handle.

I promise you....I will not get into the whole HHS debate thing on this thread so relax bro

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Old 02-18-2013, 07:27 PM #65
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Because it's a scandal and people are tired of the WBC being on TV. It's something other than taxes, healthcare, guns and Congress.

So communion, confirmation and all that jazz are meaningless? You don't have to go through them to be recognized and marry in a Catholic church?

Won't get into it? You already have.
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So communion, confirmation and all that jazz are meaningless? You don't have to go through them to be recognized and marry in a Catholic church?

Won't get into it? You already have.
Kinda off the OP topic but since you want to discuss it. Hope it's cool Iamamartianchurch.

Here's a good article from the same website you posted from on this very topic: http://www.catholic.com/documents/ho...ome-a-catholic
If you don't want to read the entire article the first portion is good enough.

Anyways, my point on here wasn't to discuss Catholic rites, rituals, and customs.

I wanted to know why you felt Catholicism was desperate for having procedures in place for people who wanted to become Catholic who were not "cradle" Catholics. I still don't understand why you feel that way.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:41 AM #67
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Thanks Iamamartianchurch.

I think this article from the Pittsburgh-Post Gazette does a good job at presenting Bendict XVI's pontificate. http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...5705/Historic/
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Fivenom lets say the news reports are true and not just speculation about the sexual abuse scandals and corruption of the pope.

What are you trying to say from all of this?

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Old 02-21-2013, 09:48 AM #71
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Fivenom lets say the news reports are true and not just speculation about the sexual abuse scandals and corruption of the pope.

What are you trying to say from all of this?
Nothing that hasn't been said before. Just another example of huge archaic institutions doing what's best for themselves instead of doing the right thing. It's sad really, but not surprising. What is surprising is how so many people willingly support this institution despite all of this.
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It's hard to find a charity or "non-profit" organization that is not corrupt these days.
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It's hard to find a charity or "non-profit" organization that is not corrupt these days.
That's debatable but the church is supposed to be on a higher moral standing, yet they're just robbing people and hiding widespread child abuse.
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Yeah, I do believe it is a bunch of deep bull**** by typical pharisees. There is no reason for anyone to defend their actions.

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That's debatable but the church is supposed to be on a higher moral standing, yet they're just robbing people and hiding widespread child abuse.
Should they be held to a higher moral standard?
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Should they be held to a higher moral standard?
It should come from within, they shouldn't have to be held to any standard.
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It should come from within, they shouldn't have to be held to any standard.
isnt the whole point of christianity is that people are imperfect so isnt it logical to assume a christian organization run by people would be subject to these imperfections?
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Pope's resignation may mean a war is coming. As a Pope, he has to reject any war. That's not a favor to the Neocon. Under the pressure of "being passed away by poor health", he retreats. He doesn't want to be another John Paul II. Or another Chavez.
A Pope or any Catholic is not required to reject "any war." Wars as horrible as they are may sometimes be the only course of action. Now not many wars fit within Catholicism "just war" criteria but certainly not all wars are rejected by the Catholic Church.
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Well at any rate, this pope may have done more good than is publicly made known.

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/World.php?id=7089
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Well at any rate, this pope may have done more good than is publicly made known.

http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/World.php?id=7089
That certainly is good to see but it's simply not enough.
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That certainly is good to see but it's simply not enough.
I'm sure more will be revealed, all in good time. I was made to understand that the dealings of Benedict were rarely public.
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I'm sure more will be revealed, all in good time. I was made to understand that the dealings of Benedict were rarely public.
I'm sure and isn't that the Vatican way?
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