[aresfiend]

Originally Posted by [NA]WARLORD

I do get it, but other then the Proton, I have a few friends who bought Valken G6R's and they had them worked over by BLAST since they were a year old, as Valken said they wouldn't touch them.

The thing is that the Valken G6R was just a PL marker, not a gun with quite a few changes.

Originally Posted by Card09

Axe is definatly alot smoother than a proton. Proton does feel better in the hands though.

Having owned and played with both extensively, I can say the Proton is definitely smoother than the Axe stock.

[Weroliera (Banned)]

Originally Posted by someasianballer

Do u know why geos are so damn reliable?

It's because. Of the minimal dynamic orings

Also tolerances and the lack if an lpr ( bc kids like to jack with them)

Just a thought

So r u with me or against me?

[SNAKESNIPER (Banned)]

Valken's CS is complete ****.

[aresfiend]

Originally Posted by SNAKESNIPER

Valken's CS is complete ****.

Say what you will, but I've personally had nothing but good experiences with their CS.

[isaaclim]

I love both markers but I picked up the proton for ergonomics and how the regulator is user serviceable without "special" tools. The little engineering things like the serviceable reg and eye shields tipped it ever so slightly to the proton's favor for me. Also being an ego 11 owner, I find the fit and finish of the proton very impressive for $325.

But I truly believe you will be happy with either gun if those are the two you are deciding on.

[someasianballer]

Originally Posted by Weroliera

So r u with me or against me?

neither, im telling u think how the marker works before u can say which is more reliable...i owned an axe..i know its very reliable..i have yet lubed it after 4-5 cases of paint

the proton is indeed a spool but i counted 3 dynamic orings in the proton engine.
the less dynamic orings there are the more reliable it is.
the fact that u can use oil to lube it (and oil in the asa and dry fire) makes it that much more reliable bc u dont have to worry aobut over lubing or under lubing with grease which have caused lots of problems for spools.

there was a rep that passed around a prototype for trials and claimed that the marker has shot 60,000 shots without taking it apart. only thing he did was change the battery.

dont know that to be true but that claim can be backed up by what i have said above.

[kostis11]

i prefer the Axe but i cant deny that proton is a very good marker overall.

[Weroliera (Banned)]

Originally Posted by someasianballer

neither, im telling u think how the marker works before u can say which is more reliable...i owned an axe..i know its very reliable..i have yet lubed it after 4-5 cases of paint

the proton is indeed a spool but i counted 3 dynamic orings in the proton engine.
the less dynamic orings there are the more reliable it is.
the fact that u can use oil to lube it (and oil in the asa and dry fire) makes it that much more reliable bc u dont have to worry aobut over lubing or under lubing with grease which have caused lots of problems for spools.

there was a rep that passed around a prototype for trials and claimed that the marker has shot 60,000 shots without taking it apart. only thing he did was change the battery.

dont know that to be true but that claim can be backed up by what i have said above.

No mister I know that proton is not reliable as an axe
I have seen mike Phillips shoot a whole 68 45 thru an axe and many others in YouTube never had a single problem
I have 7 cases in my axe ZERO problems
I don't care if the proton has 1 dynamic oring that don't mean it's reliable so u think b4 u talk
Hustle paintball (a trusted group of guys that make excellent reviews) could not shoot a whole 68 45 because the proton would keep going down on them and leaking and they tried different protons

[rexisme]

Originally Posted by Weroliera

Hustle paintball (a trusted group of guys that make excellent reviews) could not shoot a whole 68 45 because the proton would keep going down on them and leaking and they tried different protons

The end. People arguing for the proton are just trying to justify their ****ty purchase.

[isaaclim]

Originally Posted by Weroliera

Hustle paintball (a trusted group of guys that make excellent reviews) could not shoot a whole 68 45 because the proton would keep going down on them and leaking and they tried different protons

I totally get what you are saying, but oddly enough the Hustle pball review is what swayed me to buy one. What convinced me was after listing all the issues and negative opinions (including the leaks from 2 protons), the reviewer said he was still "impressed" with the gun. What would possess a man to shoot a gun that can potentially leak and still say he likes it? Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who owns a proton where I live so I thought I'd give it a go and get a used one. All I can say is I'm just as impressed as the man at Hustle. But again, totally understand where you are coming from

That being said I have not experienced any leaks but I have not had the opportunity to shoot half a case straight though my proton. I wonder if this could be mitigated with the seals wearing in or if people used LP tanks like in g6r??? Food for thought.

[aresfiend]

Originally Posted by Weroliera

Hustle paintball (a trusted group of guys that make excellent reviews) could not shoot a whole 68 45 because the proton would keep going down on them and leaking and they tried different protons

Well, obviously they didn't rebuild the reg and grease it with Dow 33. After I did that any and all problems with leaking went away.

Originally Posted by rexisme

The end. People arguing for the proton are just trying to justify their ****ty purchase.

Looks like someone is mad that the all mighty Axe is being contested lol

[Weroliera (Banned)]

Originally Posted by rexisme

The end. People arguing for the proton are just trying to justify their ****ty purchase.

Agree lol
A person will never admit their stuff sucks until they get rid off it
Everyone likes their phone because bla bla bla
Once they get another one they brag how they hated the old one AJAJAJAHAHJAHAH

[Weroliera (Banned)]

Originally Posted by aresfiend

Well, obviously they didn't rebuild the reg and grease it with Dow 33. After I did that any and all problems with leaking went away.


Looks like someone is mad that the all mighty Axe is being contested lol

So I buy the new gun and I have to immediately rebuild and grease
My axe I bought and shot right away no greasing or rebuilding before hand or anything


And yes because the axe is being dethrowned with a proton Not cool

[someasianballer]

Hustle paintball review was one of the reviews that helped me understand how the proton works.

They took it out of the box. And showed u what to expect

That leak could be fixed. Swap it with a Viton. Or even soak the oring over night in Dow 55 to swell. This was not an issue I saw.

My point is dont judge unless u put the same amount of paint through marker A. as u did with marker B.

Btw. Axes are reliable bc they work off a similar design to an automag which have been proven back in 2000 and before for about a decade.


Let's not turn this into a flame fest. I simply explained an opinion based in knowledge and understanding to justify not throwing out a possibility for a reliable marker. This is unbiased as it gets. I too am hesitant in buying one which made me go for every review I can find. And understand the marker as much as I can before purchasing.

My original post was to find those things I cant confirm because those are opinion biased or there are not enough consistent numbers so I myself are trying to figure an average

I also never said that the proton will be more reliable than the axe. I only explained for he proton. Never compared it to the axe in terms of reliability.

[aresfiend]

Originally Posted by Weroliera

So I buy the new gun and I have to immediately rebuild and grease

*Cough* Vapor *Cough* DM12 *Cough* G4 *Cough*

[tlmiller]

Originally Posted by rexisme

The end. People arguing for the proton are just trying to justify their ****ty purchase.

Sounds like people are just arguing for the Axe because they're all pissed that they paid $125 more for an inferior marker.

Personally, have used both now, have owned a Mini and an Aura, never had issues with either one. Would take the Aura/Proton over the Axe every time. I prefer the trigger, feel of it in my hands and the way it shoots over the Axe. Not the prettiest of markers unfortunately, but for the price, absolutely awesome. Not that the Axe is bad, but I really like the Proton.

Also, as someone towards the beginning of the thread mentioned, I like being able to service my reg if it has issues. Can't with the Axe.

[Weroliera (Banned)]

Originally Posted by aresfiend

*Cough* Vapor *Cough* DM12 *Cough* G4 *Cough*

This is the reason that when I get my money all saved up I'm getting an eclipse marker

[blueshifty]

Does the proton use a clapper noid?

[tlmiller]

Yup, sideways mounted directly-actuated spool via a clapper noid. No sear.

[aresfiend]

Originally Posted by Weroliera

This is the reason that when I get my money all saved up I'm getting an eclipse marker

*Cough* MacDev works just fine and I'd say to consider the G6R and V-Com as well even though Eclipse currently makes some of the best guns known to man *Cough*

Originally Posted by blueshifty

Does the proton use a clapper noid?

Yes, but instead of a sear it's controlling the dump chamber. At idle it's letting air into the dump chamber and letting air hold the bolt back, but when electricity is applied it seals off the resistance air allowing the spool to blow forward and fire.

It's INSANELY robust and I'd be willing to bet it could even handle a little bit of CO2 just fine.

Originally Posted by tlmiller

Yup, sideways mounted directly-actuated spool via a clapper noid. No sear.

^^^ This, just not as in-depth.

[Weroliera (Banned)]

[quote=aresfiend;78094310]*Cough* MacDev works just fine and I'd say to consider the G6R and V-Com as well even though Eclipse currently makes some of the best guns known to man *Cough*


Lol now I think you're getting sick

The gt seems delicate like a luxe and a lot of parts and a lot of orings compared to geo3 I've been doing a lot of diggin with g6r and vcom.
But I. The end I say to my self No! Stick to eclipse lol