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Old 02-14-2013, 12:39 PM #1723
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Oh c'mon...McNabb was a joke. That was his best year because for most of it he had a healthy TO destroying everyone. McNabb crumbled like a little ***** in that SB and Andy Reid went all Marty with it. That SB was such a ****ing joke it was disgusting. McNabb came close 1 more time in 08, and guess what he did....**** it up. McNabb is one of those QBs who never won the big ones because he legitimately sucked in big games. Peyton has that reputation, and doesnt deserve it. McNabb IS the guy people try to portray Peyton as, but because he never won anything no one cares. Its so goddamn stupid its absurd. No wonder Obama got re elected.

Oh and BTW....McNabb has as many post season wins as Manning and Flacco.....soooooo I guess McNabb is better than Manning right?

Yea, and so isnt Peyton.... Warner is about as underrated as they come in the grand scheme of things, but unlike Manning he's not considered a massive big game choker or "stat junkie" QB. Warner and Manning were both victims of the Patriots cheating scandal, and both guys have been victimized by giving their team the lead late and having their defense go full retard at the worst possible moments. Yet no one mentions Warner as a choker in big spots...its so ridiculous the standards Peyton is held to despite the obvious short comings of his supporting cast.
Your right about Peyton not being like mcnabb .

Even comparing peyton to Favre is fine . Sure Favre went out on a pick 6 against the saints . But no one mentions the 3 AP fumbles that and and the other 2 turnovers from harvin and someone else .
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:09 PM #1724
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McNabb is definitely overrated on his career, I won't argue that. I don't buy the taping scandal arguments as far as giving NE an advantage over Warner or Manning, but I do think Manning is unfairly labeled a choker.

As far as the Pats/Rams Super Bowl, yeah Warner gave them a lead late, I was referring to the defense keeping him and that offense to a relatively low total for the game.
Marshall Faulk certainly disagrees about the taping scandal giving them an advantage, especially when it was rumored Goodell destroyed the evidence of Walsh filming the Rams walk through the day before the game. That was compounded by guys on the Rams offense saying the Pats knew exactly what they were going to run and when and where they would run it.


Either way, aside from the pick 6 to Law, that was still a pretty good game for Warner numbers wise, but again, everyone praises Warner despite being 1-2 in SBs, and bashes Manning every chance they get. And comparing Manning to Favre is entirely unfair. Favre was almost guaranteed to turn the ball over, Manning, not so much.
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I still think taping was way more rampant than we'll ever know. The defense maybe could have benefited in one scenario in that game from that, the rest is just good coaching/awareness.

And yes, I don't know where people get off with the Favre/Manning comparison. Peyton's interception numbers are relatively low, save for his rookie year and 2010 when he had almost 700 attempts. And even then those are outliers. 16 INT's is average for Favre.
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I understand the QB is the focal point of an offense, but if guys dont step up around him, there is nothing he can do.

Example A: 1999 Div game vs Tennessee. Down 16-9 on 3rd and 22, Manning threw a ball to Harrison that would have gone for 30+ and this happens:



Peytons fault...obviously for hitting him in the hands.

Also this one in the WC round vs Miami. Not late, but 7 points none the less that lead to a FG.



Then again in 05, after an entirely improbable drive to get well within Vander******s range to tie the game and seize momentum...




Also, this one against SD. CLEARLY Peytons fault




Oh then this gem in 08 @ SD....notice the TE forget the snap count and never get out of his stance. The Colts were in the lead at this point with just over 2 minutes to go.




And this year...if this isnt a blow PI call I dont know what is...

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McNabb is definitely overrated on his career, I won't argue that. I don't buy the taping scandal arguments as far as giving NE an advantage over Warner or Manning, but I do think Manning is unfairly labeled a choker.

As far as the Pats/Rams Super Bowl, yeah Warner gave them a lead late, I was referring to the defense keeping him and that offense to a relatively low total for the game.
McNabb was mah *****, but I'll agree he was overrated.
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Not really. It saves them 10 million against the cap. Thats a no brainer.
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Smart from a salary stand point though i suppose.



Looks like titus young is already on the outs with the rams hahahha
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yea that didnt last long.


And the broncos are going to tag Clady. I like it. Give us some more time to work out a long term deal before the season starts.
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Apparently were looking into grabbing percy as well. I think it would be a good pick up if harbaugh could figure out how to make him not go all premadonna. I guess he did it with moss so id assume he could with percy. I still like jennings the best out of the free agent wrs though.
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Percys agent is doing damage control now, claiming he's upset about his role in the offense, not the money. I can see that being an issue, but anyone who thinks hes not looking to get paid is in for a rude awakening. He would be oh so ****ing legit in San Fran. That team is only going to get better around Kap. Scary thought.


As for Moss, he can pretty much pick his spots, and if none of those spots want him, he'll probably just retire.
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i know harbaugh would like him to return, i dont think that will happen though.

the best off season would be for us to sign goldson to a long term deal, cut culliver and trade smith and a pick for revis, sign our o line guys who are FAs and grab jennings or possibly mike wallace if he doesnt want $1000000000000.

im sure with alot of contract trickery it could be done. weve got a little room under the cap as of right now, but there definitely isnt an easy way to get all of that done.
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Percys agent is doing damage control now, claiming he's upset about his role in the offense, not the money. I can see that being an issue, but anyone who thinks hes not looking to get paid is in for a rude awakening. He would be oh so ****ing legit in San Fran. That team is only going to get better around Kap. Scary thought.


As for Moss, he can pretty much pick his spots, and if none of those spots want him, he'll probably just retire.
Just like what he did last summer. We used the **** out of him, he just didn't score and that pissed him off. Sorry dude, but Rudolph and Adrian are way better red zone threats than you are. He's scary in the open field though. Terrifying in fact.
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I'll never forget his rookie year he caught a pass and covered 15 yards faster than anything I've ever seen cover 15 yards. It was legitimately like 3 strides and he had a first down and way more. I was in awe.
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