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Old 02-14-2013, 04:46 PM #526
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Strap: google "Ydna Husher Pbnation" and you should find a link to one done by him in 2006. Really quiet, hence the name.

At that time my patent was already applied.
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Paul - might shoot a video this weekend, if the new camera makes it in. It will be a coldish weekend, but that might be fine. I will hit you up if it does.
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J4 since you named your marker the torque.....do you prefer foot pounds or newton meters? Seems like every country but the USA uses Nm's but imsticking with ft-lbs as long as possible.
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Since you guys are close: the next intended models covered by the patent are 'Diesel' and 'JP-8' for the milsim variant of it.

Kinda had a feeling about this having to do with engines. I actually work in diesel engine industry. I do R&D and prototype diesel engine testing/calibration for a major diesel engine manufacturer.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:59 PM #528
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I wanted to chime in with some thunder about my plymouth.. then I remembered its torque in the discussion.. not horsepower
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Its just a video of it shooting, it could be a stock impulse for all it tells us. I posted a picture of the design, which I think tells people a lot more.


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i've seen that video countless times... and i'm just realizing how inefficient that design layout is space wise. The valve chamber is TINY...
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This was the version I came up with to fit in a Spyder AMG back in 04-05. I've got a CAD drawing on the desktop somewhere that's a little cleaner and more precise. This version was fully balanced with a dump chamber. The ram housing would be two pieces.
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For simplicity with paintball gear, in*lbs.

In a full 69/45 tank, about 300,000 in*lbs. Per shot for a normal gun, 225in*lbs.

Just multiply the area in the tank by the pressure. Same with all the internal areas, but also if you remove what your gun runs at, say 200psi * 68ci, then remove that from the total of 300,000in*lbs of available energy, divide the remainder of the energy but the number of shots you get, and you can figure out the energy usage of your gun.

in*lbs keeps it simple.
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This was the version I came up with to fit in a Spyder AMG back in 04-05. I've got a CAD drawing on the desktop somewhere that's a little cleaner and more precise. This version was fully balanced with a dump chamber. The ram housing would be two pieces.
I like how yours cuts off the air, however, it is possible to get better efficiency by timing the opening and closing along flow rates.(basically how I understand the shocker's eigen bolt works)

So, instead of having a dump chamber that empties(so the pressure goes down as the dump chamber empties) a set amount of air, you have a perfectly timed flow amount that keeps the air at the operating pressure, which is slightly more efficient as long as you can time it right and not have it open too long.

However, its not easy to do, since a lot of little things: Oring size, type of lube used, reg recharge, temperature; all have a huge effect.

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This new gun has sparked all kinds of diccussion eh.
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I'm more interested in the theory behind the gun than I am the actual gun, not that I'm not interested in the gun. But, I think we've talking and broken down all we are going to get out of the gun, no point in discussing how much it will cost or what bells and whistles its going to come with, since J4 seems to be rather tight lipped.
Now I think we should try and move the conversation into a more general direction of the theory behind stacked tube spools rather than focus on the torque's features.
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Ease of maintenance, assembly, and field problems while still maintaining a quality performance is the theory behind it I believe.
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Thankfully no... we agreed no flowers needed.

However, I go through markers faster than socks when I was a pubescent kid


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Ease of maintenance, assembly, and field problems while still maintaining a quality performance is the theory behind it I believe.
No, that is the reason it is made.

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Old 02-15-2013, 10:22 AM #541
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EDIT: I don't have to worry about my girlfriend leaving me, she is attached to my arm.
So you mean your gf name is palmala handerson.
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Ease of maintenance, assembly, and field problems while still maintaining a quality performance is the theory behind it I believe.
I'd tend to agree with this.

I'm also thinking that the advantage of having the valve and drivetrain in the bottom tube is that you are keeping people out of somewhere they don't need to be on a regular basis.

for maintenance after a day's play, all you have to do is pop the bolt off, run a pull thru and you're done.

With a DM, you'd have to remove the entire valve assembly, giving access to all those orings that could get rolled or what have you.

To me it seems like an easy way to help stupid proof the gun.

Think how Planet moved the rear frame screw into the frame, making you open up the grips and make sure everything was unplugged before taking them apart. This happened after a pro paintballer (I wanna say Nicki Cuba for some reason...) brought them a gun at an even with the solenoid and eye wires sheared off cuz they forgot.

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I'd tend to agree with this.

I'm also thinking that the advantage of having the valve and drivetrain in the bottom tube is that you are keeping people out of somewhere they don't need to be on a regular basis.

for maintenance after a day's play, all you have to do is pop the bolt off, run a pull thru and you're done.

With a DM, you'd have to remove the entire valve assembly, giving access to all those orings that could get rolled or what have you.

To me it seems like an easy way to help stupid proof the gun.

Think how Planet moved the rear frame screw into the frame, making you open up the grips and make sure everything was unplugged before taking them apart. This happened after a pro paintballer (I wanna say Nicki Cuba for some reason...) brought them a gun at an even with the solenoid and eye wires sheared off cuz they forgot.
The shearing wires will always happen until a wireless setup or board gets a prong setup like the axe but even then ppl will still find a way to bend break or incorrectly assemble parts stupid ppl aren't going anywhere just getting worse.
What you could do is make it as simple as possible and make it fool proof hence why they went with the HES sensors instead of having to time the gun via dwell and also making the lower tube 3 basic parts with minimal o rings.
Less chance of a screw up as well as if you do scew up it shouldn't be hard to figure out what you did wrong.
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The shearing wires will always happen until a wireless setup or board gets a prong setup like the axe but even then ppl will still find a way to bend break or incorrectly assemble parts stupid ppl aren't going anywhere just getting worse.
What you could do is make it as simple as possible and make it fool proof hence why they went with the HES sensors instead of having to time the gun via dwell and also making the lower tube 3 basic parts with minimal o rings.
We're making the same argument really.

I'm not denying the shearing of the wires won't always happen, but that was PE's way of helping to mitigate it.
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We're making the same argument really.

I'm not denying the shearing of the wires won't always happen, but that was PE's way of helping to mitigate it.
Well Pe didn't do that on the csl s the frame only has one screw an it's reverse thread and attached to the body not the grip frame.
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