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Old 02-09-2013, 09:46 PM #148
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The most common spot to get shot is in your shoulder or forearm.. Seems pretty legit and safety conscious to put padding on the parts that get hit the most and you do your sliding on.

Are you telling me the most common spot you have been shot is your back?

Pack covers back - Why pad what the pack covers?

I feel you might just know a thing or two about paintball.. I do also feel the man that designed the jerseys might know a thing or two?

What I want to see you ALL DO, especially YOU Chris - since you are so interwoven with the PSP- With the same judgmental tones you have been so free to share with me on the personal level about this jerzey. Walk your self righteous selves up to the pro teams, matter o fact ANY TEAM, on the national circuit using this jerzey or comparably padded... Be sure to inform them from your INFINITE wisdom in paintball that they are all panzies.

Ohh and, Dont be a sissie about it and say it in a joking manner, be as serious as you have been with your posts fellas... I mean you feel strongly about it, right?

This might surprise some of you but you might get punched in the mouth. I've seen the old dogs in paintball do a lot worse for A LOT LESS.. Some people out there especially some of those that are competing on the national level of paintball have the type of personality that will hold you accountable for your words. ESPECIALLY if you are speaking about them personally, OR Their team.

I mean, you may not be the internet tough guys you portray yourselves to be. You might just be able to hold your own.. But just know that if, and when, you get the courage to cut down some of the old dogs in paintball with your opinions, they will call you on it.. .. They haven't gotten, or remained where they are by taking flak from people.



Point still remains, if you dont want to wear the jerzey dont. If it bothers you that much that people do, dont play with them. There are leagues out there that dont allow it.. Show your support and go to that league.

Until then wipe your eyes, take the field, and dress yourself - not others.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:03 PM #149
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What I want to see you ALL DO, especially YOU Chris - since you are so interwoven with the PSP- With the same judgmental tones you have been so free to share with me on the personal level about this jerzey. Walk your self righteous selves up to the pro teams, matter o fact ANY TEAM, on the national circuit using this jerzey or comparably padded... Be sure to inform them from your INFINITE wisdom in paintball that they are all panzies.
I think you're missing a subtle part of what I was saying. I said that anyone wearing a padded jersey for "safety" is a pansy.

Now the truth is, I don't think anyone really wears a padded jersey for safety, because padded jerseys ARE NOT SAFETY EQUIPMENT!

Padded jerseys don't have padding where you get the worst welts (where you get shot up close when you're getting bunkered - sides, back); they have padding where the PADDING IS MOST LIKELY TO CAUSE BOUNCES, i.e. the shoulders and forearms, where you get hit by paintballs shot from further away that are going slow enough that A) the padding makes a difference for bounces and B) you're not getting a nasty welt to begin with.


So if you really are wearing a padded jersey because you just can't handle the small bruise you'll get when you get shot in the shoulder while gunfighting, then yes, I allege you're being a pansy.


But I think the truth is we all know - even if some of us won't say it - why all this padding is in jerseys nowadays, and it ain't safety. We played paintball plenty safe for 20 years without it.


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Old 02-10-2013, 09:08 PM #150
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JT, if you feel that strongly about it, maybe you should be the one to consider backing off a bit.
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When speaking on this subject, I AM considering the sources. I hope those that are keeping up with this thread do too.. You might be an old dog soothsayer in this sport but when it comes to this JERZEY, NONE OF YOU have any idea what you are talking about.

That is until you actually wear the jerzey... You are, and will remain, from the outside looking in.

Until then what are you basing your advice or personal attacks on???

What you have watched other people do? What the people wearing them are saying about them?

Truth is you have no expertise or experience to speak on its safety aspects pro or con.

The Logic defying argument that wearing no padding is safer than having padding on is not going to bode well for your claims of being a credible source for paintball advice..



Nothing replaces first hand Experience. Since you all find it so appalling, none of you actually have any time in grade in this jersey. Instead you keep shelling out advice and slander even though you have never personally put this product through the ringer to find out what its actual uses might be..

You have no way to prove your validity of your opinions...

Oh wait YOU did that already. You did validate that you do in fact have scars and war wounds from paintball.

I am pretty sure thats been covered by the people wearing this jerzey...

Ohhh yeah, thats right, other people have been posting about how since they have been wearing this jerzey the Bloody nasty welts on their arms have stopped..

Wearing this jerzey, or our opponents wearing this jerzey, did not stop us from winning or losing any event.

I been taking a beating on the personal level for a minute now.. so lets talk about panzy/shady acts??? CHRIS RAEHL coaching your home team in PSP Chi town as interwoven in the psp as you are : seemed pretty shady to most of the competitors at the event.. Especially if you still have a walkie on to call for paint checks on the field.

*even as interwoven in PSP you might have been for that event* didnt stop the nature of competition. We still managed to do alright at that tournament....
Wait we did have the jerzeys on, so there is that you can credit our win to..



Point being let your game do the talking. You are affiliated very strongly with a league that allows the jerzeys you are bad mouthing.


From my experience ON THE FIELD, not the sidelines, these JERZEYS are not a noticeable factor on the playing field at any time. We did shoot the best paint we could get- *ULTRA EVIL*

We had plenty on the break kills - cross field when when our competitors had this jerzey on.. We had our guys die on the break plenty with these jerzeys on too. This jerzey is not the bounce monster you are making it out to be.

I havent had any bloody welts since I started wearing this jerzey.

I have played semi/ramping tournaments with my pump gun and had no welts on my arms or shoulders at the end of the day. I was bunkered at least 5 times in the long grind of that tournament. It was savage, fun, awesome and no one was giving an inch.

Even though I had been more active over the past three years than I have been any other time in my paintball addiction.. I do not have one mark or welt left over from any of the average 2-3 times a week I was playing/drilling.



I DO have scars on my arm from 13 years ago from a wearing normal jerzey. No padding was allowed at that time. It was considered cheating.... The person shooting was pushing the 300fps limit but he was not over.


When these jerzeys first came out, I was like you.. I condemned them without trying the for the longest time. I Realize only after this thread how narrow minded that approach was..

I am thankful We ended up giving them a try. If we wouldn't have I would have missed out. All my negative opinions were dissolved by truthful experience.

I have been proudly wearing it for the past two years now..


THEY ROCK.

Hey smarter paintball isn't for everyone. I'm not fighting with any of you because you wont wear it.

I am only fighting the self righteous slander you feel the need to share as credible advice. The advice you are giving is unsubstantiated, narrow minded opinion, nothing else..


You keep rocking those battle wounds and wear them with pride.

Don't cut me down because I have common sense enough to make the welts go away.


Castro, if my truths offend you go blind? A lesser alternative to stabbing something into your eye socket.. Feel free to remove yourself from the thread I started at anytime if it becomes to much.
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JT, you're talking about guys punching each other here, which under the circumstances borders on threatening physical violence. I'm trying to save you some trouble, buddy.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:51 AM #153
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Dont twist words into something that isnt being said. I have threatened no one, and it is very clear that I havent.

Until I break a rule on PBnation dont tell me how to speak just because you dont like what I am saying.. I am very clear on the rules on pbnation and what can get a thread locked. If you wanna flex your moderator muscles how about you review #2 #8 and get the personal slights removed from this thread. Unless you think "Panzy" is a technical term that has some bearing on this topic other than a personal dig just to get someone riled up?

The Jerzey ROCKS and the pants are even better! The whole set is still going strong.. The only pants I can even compare in quality and durability is the old Evil pants.


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this has been a interesting thread to follow to say the least
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JT is hitting the head on the nail. I enjoy the pump community, and i am very thankful for the knowledge the old guard had pasted on, however, i have noticed in the years past alot of real closed minded remarks and stubborn opinions towards anything that was close to speedball/tournament style of play.

That said, to clarify what someone quoted me earlier for saying about contradicting myself with JT's opinion.
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i have noticed in the years past alot of real closed minded remarks and stubborn opinions towards anything that was close to speedball/tournament style of play.
Leave the lazer guns and space dildos out of this, we're busy talking about bounce jerseys
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More padding = More bounce? Anyone who is upset about what jersey you wear needs to get bent...
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You're kinda all over the place here aren't you?

I really wish you wouldn't imply I'm saying things I'm not saying. At no point did I say even one iota of a negative thing about Raza jerseys. Raza makes excellent jerseys, both with and without padding. If you're playing an event that allows padding in jerseys, by all means, wear a padded jersey, I don't think anyone should cede a legal competitive advantage to an opponent.

But they are NOT safety equipment. Period.

Some welts are a side effect of the game. If you're worried about the mild welts you get in the shoulders/forearms from gunfighting etc, I do personally maintain that you're a pansy. If you're worried about the nasty welts you get from getting bunkered up close, usually in the neck/sides/back, a jersey isn't going to help you because they are not padded there.

The reality of the situation is we all know why these mega-padding jerseys are manufactured, and while some people seem to refuse to admit it, I'm not one of them. We would be better off if they were not permitted in competitive play.


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. Raza makes excellent jerseys, both with and without padding.

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Wow... This has been an exciting read to say the least.. I'll definitely have to visit this thread more often.

What's up Cervantes?!
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This is certainly the most entertaining thread on PBN.
My 2 cents.

When Dynasty showed up with those uber padded jerseys a while back I couldn't believe the forearm padding, they looked like shields and the chest and shoulder padding made them look huge.

I remember during my 1st tourney I read the rule book(NPPL) front to back and I recall the part about padding. It gave dimensions as to where and how thick and the location was quite detailed, even how far it could be pulled away from the body.
Now in the NPPL...
"5.03 Padding in Jersey’s. Padding in Jersey’s is not limited to specific areas provided
that the thickness does not exceed 5mm (0.197”). Padding material is limited to an open cell
foam and must not be modified from the manufacture’s original form. Jersey’s must be submitted
to the Rules Committee and approved in writing from the NPPL to be considered legal."
Now in the PSP...
"9.1.4. Padding in jerseys is not limited to specific areas; provided that the thickness does not
exceed 5mm (0.197”) Padding material is limited to an open cell foam and must not be
modified from the manufacture’s original form"

The major difference I notice from the newest jerseys is that on the forearms the pads are flatter rather than fitted to the forearms. And the shoulders and chest have a convoluted rather than flat padding.

That being said since almost all PB gear trickles down from the Pro level to the Rec level I have a hard time believing that Pros are designing jerseys with safety in mind, it's easier to believe that after looking at the rules jerseys they realized jerseys could be designed with bounces in mind.

Either way you look at it paintballs bouncing off jerseys are safer and legal....will lil'JT's mom spend $100+ for a jersey, will lil'JT tell his mom about the bruises from paintball if there is a possibility she won't let him play again, will lil'JT show off his bruises to his friends as a proud mark of a PB player??? These are the real questions.
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Wow... This has been an exciting read to say the least.. I'll definitely have to visit this thread more often.

What's up Cervantes?!
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You've made some excellent points Chris, you did a great job of summing up the argument against these excessively padded jerseys. Glad you and some others stepped in, I was ready to start beating my head against a wall.

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The reality of the situation is we all know why these mega-padding jerseys are manufactured, and while some people seem to refuse to admit it, I'm not one of them. We would be better off if they were not permitted in competitive play.
I understand your feelings about competitive play, but I feel that the rec environment should be the #1 concern. In tourneys, everyone is playing by the same rulebook. In recball, there is no rulebook and first timers are thrown into a game severely disadvantaged already. These jerseys (and the mindset that bounces are good for paintball) only make it worse.
Paintball, being a team sport, is a tough sport to break into. There are not many other sports where your first time playing (unless you have enough people for a private party) is against seasoned players with top of the line gear. It's important for us recball players to keep this in mind when gearing up for the day. We already have an advantage in experience, markers and gear, paint quality (sometimes), and field knowledge... why do we need yet another advantage in super bouncy jerseys?
If we want to have new people to play against in the coming years, it's best we don't destroy them on the field and scare them all away now.
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why do we need yet another advantage in super bouncy jerseys?
If we want to have new people to play against in the coming years, it's best we don't destroy them on the field and scare them all away now.


It has been covered already that gear has nothing to do with your ability to demonstrate sportsmanship. It has also been covered at length that this jerzey is not the bounce monster that plagues your nightmares.

If there is someone out there rocking open play it wouldn't fix the problem if they simply changed clothes and came back to play.


The clothes don't dictate a players attitude or how they will act on the field.
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The clothes don't dictate a players attitude or how they will act on the field.
That's debatable.
You have proven in this thread that there is a possible correlation between these jerseys and a player's off-field attitude towards others.

I'm curious, are you back on TG now?
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