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Old 02-11-2013, 10:39 AM #1
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Pope Benedict Resigns

The man drew a fair amount of criticism for being conservative and more traditional minded. I can't say whether he was or was not, having not followed his work. What I am fairly interested in is his successor. The Catholic Church is something of a last bastion for Tradition insofar as Europe can be spoken of. In light of the heavy criticism, I suspect he will be replaced by a pontiff sympathetic to "progress," even if in all reality such ideology is completely antithetical and outright heretical to Christianity. If the recently appointed arch bishop of Canterbury, an obvious eunuch, is any indication of the future of Christianity; I suspect a fair amount of change in the future for the institution.

I'm curious, how do you Christians feel?
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:43 AM #2
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I like that he's smart enough to know he's not in any shape to be the Pope anymore.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:04 AM #3
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Why did God let him become ill?
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:39 AM #4
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Why did God let him become ill?
This isn't the place for crass theology.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:52 AM #5
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then what do you deem appropriate discussion for this thread?
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:02 PM #6
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I prefer commentary on the direction of the church itself. Will we see a swing of the pendulum, etc etc.

I will also accept commentary or discussion on Benedict's legacy.

If you want to talk about God lifting rocks, making immortal human beings or creating utopian paradises, I suggest attending a local nondenominational Sunday school for debate.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:25 PM #7
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I'm interested to see how the next Pope addresses all of the scandals with sexual abuse. Will he acknowledge it and clean house? Keep sweeping it under the rug? Pay out hush money?
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:36 PM #8
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I'm interested to see how the next Pope addresses all of the scandals with sexual abuse. Will he acknowledge it and clean house? Keep sweeping it under the rug? Pay out hush money?
Indeed. I actually forgot all about it.
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To be clear, this hasn't happened since the 13th century. This is very big news. I'm interested to see how this will all play out as well.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:40 PM #10
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Indeed. I actually forgot all about it.
A lot of people haven't as they still have to face their abusers due to inaction from above or pending paydays from church coffers. I'm curious if the church is worried about having replacements if they clean house. They've already relaxed conditions on converting congregations but I wonder what the numbers are like.
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To be clear, this hasn't happened since the 13th century. This is very big news. I'm interested to see how this will all play out as well.
I have my suspicions that there is more to it than old age. The last resignation was over the schism. I can't think of any issue of such paramount divisiveness besides the clash between the modern, post 1789 world and that of the pre-modern Throne and Altar world the Catholics support but do not outright promote. I know vaguely of a push from within the Church's ranks to excise the old world traditions of the institution.
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Just did a shoot for aljazeera, and they were talking about this. And one thing they talked about which I didn't even think about, was getting in a new pope that will crack down on all of the sexual predator crap. So hopefully the next pope doesn't mess around.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:46 PM #13
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I have my suspicions that there is more to it than old age. The last resignation was over the schism. I can't think of any issue of such paramount divisiveness besides the clash between the modern, post 1789 world and that of the pre-modern Throne and Altar world the Catholics support but do not outright promote. I know vaguely of a push from within the Church's ranks to excise the old world traditions of the institution.
This goes right to what I was saying as it's the only way for the church to slow the hemorrhaging of members which is a huge problem.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:48 PM #14
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A lot of people haven't as they still have to face their abusers due to inaction from above or pending paydays from church coffers. I'm curious if the church is worried about having replacements if they clean house. They've already relaxed conditions on converting congregations but I wonder what the numbers are like.
I took the whole ordeal with a grain of salt. I have no doubt that abuse happened, although I am highly skeptical that the extreme permeance of abuse is the result of legitimate claim.

Can you explain that last sentence?
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:51 PM #15
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This goes right to what I was saying as it's the only way for the church to slow the hemorrhaging of members which is a huge problem.
I don't think they should forsake their principles to retain membership. Otherwise, what good are they? What good is everything they teach? Despite my objections to the faithh, their relative steadfastness is something i respect. I find it hard to respect anything which bends itself to the popular sentiments and beliefs of your common boob.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:54 PM #16
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It further tarnishes the reputation of an already archaic institution.

The Catholic church has been allowing entire congregations (Protestant I know for sure, I'm not sure about other denominations) including the ministers to convert to Catholicism and stay at the helm which I view as desperation.

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I don't think they should forsake their principles to retain membership. Otherwise, what good are they? What good is everything they teach? Despite my objections to the faithh, their relative steadfastness is something i respect. I find it hard to respect anything which bends itself to the popular sentiments and beliefs of your common boob.
That's exactly what they're doing, which is a bit incredible.
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That was sort of the thing I was afraid of. I mentioned it in the OP. If you read some of the ideology espoused by the new A of C, it is very anti-christian. Though I know that this observation of fact will be seen as a good thing to many, especially her enemies.
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That was sort of the thing I was afraid of. I mentioned it in the OP. If you read some of the ideology espoused by the new A of C, it is very anti-christian. Though I know that this observation of fact will be seen as a good thing to many, especially her enemies.
I'll have to look into it.

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Eh I wish I had the opportunity to experience a traditional Latin mass once.
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:28 PM #20
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You still can in the rectory, hiyoooo.
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You still can in the rectory, hiyoooo.
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