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Old 02-01-2013, 09:30 AM #64
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Hopefully the milling externally is as awesome as the STS concept. If so, I might be sold...
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:31 AM #65
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i think its exciting to see a new company and new marker design come out and look forward to full pics/press release and so forth.

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Old 02-01-2013, 09:37 AM #67
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On the pre-FAQ we mentioned this a bit. The long and short of it is the system on the mechanical side just needs enough dwell. Over running the dwell doesn't result in any more velocity or air loss. Basically at 6ms of dwell you get bolt movement, at 7ms a near full shot, at 8ms you get a full shot, and 9ms-255ms you have exactly the same air usage and velocity. But sometimes 8ms is finicky, and sometimes it is cold out, or you gooped paint bad. The HE sensor is in there just to let you get through. Unlike almost every other gun, dwell/velocity don't really have a correlation, and dialing in the shot by the ms doesn't make as much sense. Dialing in the dwell to make sure it shoots is an advantage, but with this we just have the added HE bit to make sure every shot is exactly the same. No matter the conditions. So, no FSDO, No hot fps as the dwell is raised to compensate for FSDO, no cold weather problems, no oil based broken field paint slowing it down. I have had the bolt nearly seize in the test guns and still get a near full velocity shot. The HE just makes sure it keeps truckin, no matter what. If the HE fails it reverts to 12ms or so, and it will rock almost any condition.

I don't know of any electric gun that can do that.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:40 AM #68
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:44 AM #69
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trigger looks like zr1
damn, you caught them man, there gonna have to redesign the trigger because the zr1 was def the first ones to use a Sling blade trigger...

99% of the it looks like comments can be cut out guys. of course it looks like every other stacked tube marker. there is only so much you can do. thats like saying "the new 1911 looks like the 1911" no ****.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:51 AM #70
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Any word of possible price range???
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Under $2000.
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It will be a very competitive price that will satisfy all from what I've heard.
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:29 AM #73
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Always excited to zee a new platform. And I've followed this since the VW days. Best of luck Josh!
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I love how it looks on paper, the specs and everything, really looking forward to seeing this thing in action.
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Looks very interesting. Interested to see if the additional volume translates to more shots per fill.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:35 AM #77
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damn, you caught them man, there gonna have to redesign the trigger because the zr1 was def the first ones to use a Sling blade trigger...

99% of the it looks like comments can be cut out guys. of course it looks like every other stacked tube marker. there is only so much you can do. thats like saying "the new 1911 looks like the 1911" no ****.
Nah man, that's not what I was getting at.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:38 AM #78
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:40 AM #79
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If it's around 995, it'll probably do well. Not a lot of guns in that range.
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I love the fact that is does not have the lpr on the front like ego and and g6r.
I never liked the way those type of guns felt in the hands. this should be a perfect gun fighters gun.
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This gun intrigues the hell outta me, been waiting for a stacked spool to happen. Hope this thing takes off, new companies and more options are always a plus.
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Gotta love the speculation on PBNtion! You guys make up the best stuff. I can't wait to read more.

But, from the FB page, we did post:



J4's gun the Torque is not the new Creed, sorry, though thank you for the praise. It is an entirely new class of gun, and the parts are bespoke.

See, way back in the days of pumps we had the inline (nelson) and stacked tube (Sheridan) style pumps. Then that transferred to Semi-autos... the Tippmann's and VM-68/Illustrator type guns. Then we got the spoolers, Automags, Novas, to Matrix and such.

But short of the Shoebox Shocker, we never really had an easy to clean and maintain spooler. That is where the patent #7610907 steps in:

This is a Stacked Tube Spooler (STS) that has a lower mounted spool carry the bolt.

It really isn't like any gun out there. This is really, for the first time in quite a while, a totally new gun design.

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Read quoted above..

If I recall from a thread before Josh, does the spool in the lower tube cycle rearward?
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Lol great. Just when I thought I was becoming a competent tech, they throw a new platform at me
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here is a thread from custom markers subforum

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