[**GP**]

It is crazy how what I read on here is so far from what I know about this subject. I better not touch this with a 10 foot pole

[mctech]

Originally Posted by **GP**

It is crazy how what I read on here is so far from what I know about this subject. I better not touch this with a 10 foot pole

You got a 10 foot pole!

[randy woodland]

well when someone posts the on goings of why they are not at certain events, then it would be very unprofessional to lie because if it was ever found out then what do you think would happen to that certain persons business. kind of like that one guy who had the imaginary girlfriend !

[eforce]

Originally Posted by SNAKESNIPER

But the total amount of market share is in the PSP vendors' favour, due to the double turnout, if not more (speculation, but likely).

The NPPL is significantly smaller than the PSP. We'll call it half the size for the sake of conversation. If the PSP recovered every team to play NPPL this season after the NPPL dies, that would still be less than a 50% increase in sales. Let me preface these calculations with the fact that everything is very ballpark and assumes equal market share among paint vendors. This does not account for the alleged $10,000 "penalty" on top of the standard paint vendor price, although that would be pennies to KEE and GI for a season even if the PSP gave them all of it. This is obviously not a perfect representation and only shows the general concept of what's going on.

With full team retention from NPPL:
150% of sales / 3 vendors = 50% of sales per vendor

2012 PSP season:
100% of sales / 2 vendors = 50% of sales per vendor

This means with an even distribution of paint sales per vendor and maximum team retention from the dead NPPL, KEE and GI would be looking at a best case scenario of no change in sales from 2012. However, we all know there are plenty of 7-man teams that won't play PSP for one reason or another. Let's say that half of the NPPL teams decide not to play PSP after the NPPL dies.

With 50% team retention from NPPL:
125% of sales / 3 vendors = 41.7% of sales per vendor

That's assuming, again, that paint sales are evenly distributed among each paint vendor, and NPPL teams are retained for every event. Now let's update the calculations and say that of the 50% of NPPL teams that migrated to PSP, half of them get murdered playing the same division they do in the NPPL (ex D1 NPPL team moves to D1 PSP) and decide they aren't going to play PSP anymore. I'm not saying NPPL teams suck, just bringing to your attention the possibility of a drop in attendance after NPPL teams discover how different the format is from their chosen one.

With 25% team retention from NPPL:

113% of sales / 3 vendors = 37.7% of sales per vendor

Now KEE and GI have taken a bath on their paint sales and now net nearly 13% less per event despite having the same costs, unless they acquire a larger market share than Valken.

From this very basic perspective it's easy to see that the PSP allowing Valken to participate after the NPPL dies isn't about profit. It's charity.

[4leaf4life]

Originally Posted by lp04

Actually, This goes back further than this, Valken once sold paint at PSP events, they were cheaper than the others and alot of teams shot Valken, Kee and GI complained, Valken was kicked out due to the other companies complaining and that PSP said that it could not support 3 paint vendors and everybody make a profit.

Why would Valken come back in whenever they were treated so badly before? I do not blame them for not having the loyalty to the PSP due to past business deals between the companies.

With that said, NPPL should die.

What year did valken sell paint at the PSP and a lot of teams shot there paint?

[f8al]

Originally Posted by 4leaf4life

What year did valken sell paint at the PSP and a lot of teams shot there paint?

I certainly don't recall Valken selling any paint at a PSP event.

[GetBunkerD]

Originally Posted by f8al

I certainly don't recall Valken selling any paint at a PSP event.

this.

[eforce]

Originally Posted by Kirko017

You saying that phone call had that, or are you just making assumptions also... Sounds like you're making assumptions.

I didn't say that. I pointed out that there are only two parties that were in on the phone call and you're basing your opinion on information given by the party that's clearly misleading everybody. Gino said the PSP still offered him a chance to sign on despite spitting in the face of the entire industry and signing with NPPL. He's throwing a hissy fit about a higher price to sign an exclusive deal with the PSP, after he and the NPPL banned PSP paint vendors. He threw a sucker punch and instead of hitting him back, the PSP offered him the chance to apologize and let it go. Yet here we are, looking at a thread based on his claims of extortion (a great laugh if you know the meaning of that word). It seems pretty clear to me who the problem is.

Originally Posted by Kirko017

Or how about they allow Valken to buy in at the same price without forcing Valken to quit supporting NPPL as well..

Since you clearly missed the entire merger discussion, I'll spell this out for you. The major industry sponsors decided to support the PSP and leave the NPPL to die. Instead of following suit, Valken spat in their faces and signed with the NPPL. Of course Valken's not going to get the same deal everyone else did. If you're negotiating sponsorship with Eclipse, then say "**** you I'm signing with Bob Long" do you expect Eclipse to give you the same deal as other teams when you go back to them? It's a gift that they'd even consider you after what you've done, much less offer you the same pricing as the teams that were loyal to them all along.

Originally Posted by lp04

Actually, This goes back further than this, Valken once sold paint at PSP events, they were cheaper than the others and alot of teams shot Valken, Kee and GI complained, Valken was kicked out due to the other companies complaining and that PSP said that it could not support 3 paint vendors and everybody make a profit.

Why would Valken come back in whenever they were treated so badly before? I do not blame them for not having the loyalty to the PSP due to past business deals between the companies.

With that said, NPPL should die.

I would ask you for a source, but I won't bother because you're flat out wrong.

[4leaf4life]

^^^ this guy is good

[swanton23]

I have been with valken for a few years and paint has not been at psp.

So.........SURVEY SAYS


WRONG.....BUT THIS FEUD ALLOWS 2 MORE CHANCED TO GET IT RIGHT

[GetBunkerD]

Originally Posted by lp04

Actually, This goes back further than this, Valken once sold paint at PSP events, they were cheaper than the others and alot of teams shot Valken, Kee and GI complained, Valken was kicked out due to the other companies complaining and that PSP said that it could not support 3 paint vendors and everybody make a profit.

Provide source. LOL. Why lie?

[4leaf4life]

Good. I am glad we have eliminated one post that is totally false and will lead no one astray...now for the rest...

[sstiggy]

Originally Posted by 4leaf4life

Good. I am glad we have eliminated one post that is totally false and will lead no one astray...now for the rest...

Lol Nick

[mattbutcher]

wow, 2013 is already a crazy year. and it's still january. this is going to be good

[Sand6452]

Originally Posted by f8al

I certainly don't recall Valken selling any paint at a PSP event.

Originally Posted by GetBunkerD

this.

NJO 2011

[TheRedButton]

Originally Posted by 4leaf4life

^^^ this guy is good

He's like the Batman of paint vendor dealings and PSP vs. NPPL. He's not too bad at icing the bros, either.

[kostis11]

this sucks

[godraep]

Originally Posted by TheRedButton

He's like the Batman of paint vendor dealings and PSP vs. NPPL. He's not too bad at icing the bros, either.

"Icing the bros" is no skill I want to be proficient in.


I think the NPPL is lame. Can I join in this discussion?!?!?

[TheRedButton]

Originally Posted by godraep

"Icing the bros" is no skill I want to be proficient in.


I think the NPPL is lame. Can I join in this discussion?!?!?

Well when you put it that way it sounds all dirty.

[Andocommando]

Originally Posted by Sand6452

NJO 2011

Those are paint trucks FYI

[kwik]

so they were at 1 event? How did that work with all the contracts and everything?

I like as many options as possible in most cases but can also see that the PSP and their current paint vendors are not in the wrong in this whole situation.