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Old 01-18-2013, 11:59 PM #148
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I would throw them a counter offer of dropping the NPPL, and maybe an extra 1-2k in "loyalty fees" on top of the standard vendor fees.

Interesting to see the PSP trying to kill off the NPPL. It needs to happen, and now they are stepping up their efforts. It's so obvious the NPPL is strapped for cash with the advent of the D3-D4 pro team.......
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:39 AM #149
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:42 AM #150
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Correct me if im wrong but "and you have to pay 10k more then other paint sponsors." every paint sponsor pays to sell paint in the PSP, the face that PSP is asking valken to pay more, is there call. its none of your business what PSP asks each vendor to pay. if they as one vendor to pay more then another, they probably have reasons behind that. im sure the other paint distributors have been selling in psp for a while, maybe they are locked into agreements or contracts with psp on their prices, or maybe they signed with psp years ago, and psp feels they are justified to bump the price up in todays economy, or maybe they just want to show valken they made the wrong choices in the past, and they are going to pay more for their mistakes. they are not straight up asking for 10 grand when everyone else gets in for free.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:21 AM #151
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:31 AM #152
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:14 AM #153
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Neither business has publicly made any statements, everything posted by the OP and others is from personal Facebook accounts, not businesses. If what is said is true, then it sucks for Valken but it makes sense. The PSP doesn't want you to support NPPL, lots of sponsorship contracts made demands like this. As for being charged an additional 10k, that's because you showed up late the the party. Other paint vendors have already paid their way in and they are expecting certain sales, by allowing another vendor in it's causing loyal previous sponsors to lose money and their investment in being there first is depreciated. So, for a new guy to come in and get a slice of pie, it's gonna cost more to buy a chunk when the whole thing was already spoken for.

As for not allowing a vendor's truck on site, that's because you're not a sponsor. I'm sure if you pay to be a sponsor like everyone else has then you can bring your company to the event.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:29 AM #154
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They had tents last year so they were a sponsor. And they applied for 2013 paint in 2012 so they weren't late either. And a statement was released saying psp would allow all paint sponsors in psp. Check your facts
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:39 AM #155
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They had tents last year so they were a sponsor. And they applied for 2013 paint in 2012 so they weren't late either. And a statement was released saying psp would allow all paint sponsors in psp. Check your facts
they were late, other companys have been paint sponsors for years, and PSP is not telling them they are not aloud, they are simply telling them how much they have to pay to bring their paint to the event. its not extortion and its not that hard to figure it out.
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In the end it comes down to this. NPPL is a sinking ship and everyone knows it. PSP is just trying to throw Valken a life raft. Mind you that life raft comes with a $10k(supposedly) price tag, that's how the game is played. PSP saw a business opportunity and took it. Too all of those who say NPPL isnt dying, how can a league be doing well if they have to SELL pro team spots to bring in teams? Plus why is no one from Kee or GI complaining that they were not allowed to sell paint at NPPL?

And shame on Gino for making this public. Business should have be done properly and professionally. Don't go whining on facebook because you feel you have received an unfair offer.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:27 AM #157
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If anyone thinks this is bad they should read about how Walmart treats their vendors. This is just an offer. Gino could take it or leave it or be an adult and counter offer.

The NPPL is on it's way out and this was the PSP holding out an olive branch. The branch did have a few thorns on it though.

Posting on Facebook like this is childish and will get him nowhere. PSP has all the gold and they get to make the rules.
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If anyone thinks this is bad they should read about how Walmart treats their vendors. This is just an offer. Gino could take it or leave it or be an adult and counter offer.

The NPPL is on it's way out and this was the PSP holding out an olive branch. The branch did have a few thorns on it though.

Posting on Facebook like this is childish and will get him nowhere. PSP has all the gold and they get to make the rules.
and if their next rules mean only using guns by dye and kee? if players let this happen with paint, that could be next.
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and if their next rules mean only using guns by dye and kee? if players let this happen with paint, that could be next.
Lol. No.

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I agree. Make a petition to allow valken send it to Psp
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I agree. Make a petition to allow valken send it to Psp
The PSP doesn't have to do anything it doesn't want to do. No pro teams are going to boycott the biggest league to play in a league that's coughing up blood and on its last legs. You must be a pre-teen that knows little about business.

Valken can whine & cry until they're blue in the breasts, still doesn't change the fact that they're choosing to participate in a losing business with the NPPL. My prediction is that Gino will eventually cave in and pay the piper.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:37 AM #162
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Don't give a flying frogs *** in a windstorm about business. There's a ton of valken teams who would love to shoot their paint. I think kee paint sucks. GI is ok. Valken has a deal going now to help their teams. Something kee or GI wouldnt do
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Don't give a flying frogs *** in a windstorm about business. There's a ton of valken teams who would love to shoot their paint. I think kee paint sucks. GI is ok. Valken has a deal going now to help their teams. Something kee or GI wouldnt do
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People who say kee paint is crap must have shot a bad batch of it. Around here I haven't seen a team win using something other than GI/DXS (i prefer DXS of the two by a long shot) or Ultra Evil in quite a while. Our regional series winners in both divisions and race-2-2 and race-2-4 all shot evil. I will admit Valken makes good cheap practice paint, KEE's practice or Econ paint like heat is... Not good, however when you get to top tier paint Valken doesn't compete.
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this sucks i wish Valken was able to sell their paint at psp this year.
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People who say kee paint is crap must have shot a bad batch of it. Around here I haven't seen a team win using something other than GI/DXS (i prefer DXS of the two by a long shot) or Ultra Evil in quite a while. Our regional series winners in both divisions and race-2-2 and race-2-4 all shot evil. I will admit Valken makes good cheap practice paint, KEE's practice or Econ paint like heat is... Not good, however when you get to top tier paint Valken doesn't compete.
Clearly you and many here have limited experience with Valken's tournament grade paint
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Valken's Redemption Pro was overall had consistently better than anything the competition provided to players last season.

Just wait for upcoming PSP paint prices, if your not a pro team representing one of those manufactureres, be prepared for the price hike!!!
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Here is little point that most players are missing.
#1 Fields=teams and there are a ton of fields who shoot Valken.

I own a field and I personally think that Valken paint is the most consistant paint we have carried in a long time.With Valken I am not worried about paint quality from one skidd to the next.

Now this brings me to the PSP not allowing Valken Paint = My field is less likely to be sending teams to PSP because of the difficulty of getting Paint.

Yes these are only divisional teams, but that is what truly pays for the PSP's and their vendor's staff and operational expenses.

In the end this does not help fix the problem with tourney paintball as it does not allow players to vote with their money thus keeping two leagues alive. If Valken were allowed in PSP I could see the potential of most Valken NPPL teams choosing to play PSP at the divisional level.


No offense to any parties mentioned it just the way I see it.


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