[iKNOW]

Originally Posted by Rob @ Ninja PB

huh?

we do not sell illegal tanks. The tanks come with a full PI approval on the ones I mentioned above. The ones we sell in the US are DOT approved. The ones we sell in Canada have TC approval.

Maybe you're talking about the regulators? A customer does not have to use our regulator if they dont want to, especially if that country states you must have a PI certified regulator as well on the bottle.

Btw, our regulators have been sold in Europe for over 2 years now and are used by several European teams that compete in PSP, NPPL, and Millennium events.

To sell a PI tank with a NON-Pi reg in Europe is illegal. To sell a NON-Pi reg in europe that is intended to use for paintball tanks is illegal too. To sell a non-pi reg for some other special purpose is not illegal. You as the manufacturer of regs should know this and take responsibility. Not all shops and dealers know about these rules and they might trust you and get in lots of troubles. Congrats for selling illegal products to shops and teams in Europe for 2 years!

Cred for writing about your illegal activities openly on a forum!!! GOOD WORK NINJA KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ****ING TEAMS, SHOPS AND THE GOVERNMENT IN EUROPE. GOOD LUCK NEXT TIME THERE IS AN INSPECTION AND GOVERNMENT FINDS OUT AND YOU HAVE TO RECALL ALL OF YOUR TANKS.

[b15cu1t]

i know where are you getting your info from

[NeCanes]

[msonic]

Le sigh

[f8al]

Originally Posted by iKNOW

To sell a PI tank with a NON-Pi reg in Europe is illegal. To sell a NON-Pi reg in europe that is intended to use for paintball tanks is illegal too. To sell a non-pi reg for some other special purpose is not illegal. You as the manufacturer of regs should know this and take responsibility. Not all shops and dealers know about these rules and they might trust you and get in lots of troubles. Congrats for selling illegal products to shops and teams in Europe for 2 years!

Cred for writing about your illegal activities openly on a forum!!! GOOD WORK NINJA KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ****ING TEAMS, SHOPS AND THE GOVERNMENT IN EUROPE. GOOD LUCK NEXT TIME THERE IS AN INSPECTION AND GOVERNMENT FINDS OUT AND YOU HAVE TO RECALL ALL OF YOUR TANKS.

You keep ranting and raving about how they are selling "illegal" systems, but what proof do you actually have? Pretty sure that if they went through the process of PI Certification on their bottles that a question regarding their regulators would have come up. Stop trying to cause drama and if you don't have anything nice to say kindly remove yourself or don't comment.

[iKNOW]

Originally Posted by f8al

You keep ranting and raving about how they are selling "illegal" systems, but what proof do you actually have? Pretty sure that if they went through the process of PI Certification on their bottles that a question regarding their regulators would have come up. Stop trying to cause drama and if you don't have anything nice to say kindly remove yourself or don't comment.

I know what im talking about and ROB from Ninja does too. They are just too stingy to pay for the PI for the regs or the regs are not safe enough to pass it. All info is available online from EU official site. AND NO THEY CAN NOT GET TANK WITH NON PI-REG ATTACHED APPROVED. BUT NINJA DOES NOT MAKE TANKS, THEY BUY TANKS FROM ANOTHER COMPANY WHO GETS THE PI FOR THE TANK ONLY. THEN THEY PUT THEIR ILLEGAL REG THERE IN THEIR US WORKSHOP AND TRICKS THE EUROPEAN BUYERS WITH THE PI STAMP ON THE TANK.

Bsides, anyone who is too lazy to check up the real rules online probably can understand this logic: if there was no need for PI in Europe on regs for paintball, no company would go through all the hassel and pay alot of cash for making PI for the regs. Still there are lots of companies out there that offer the regs with PI stamp.

[specopsdeath2]

Typing in all caps really makes people listen to you

If what your saying is true, than post a link here.

Lets go on the thought that what you said is true. Shops that buy the tanks/regs are at fault for not knowing their own laws. Your putting all the blame on ninja, which is absolutely ridiculous and narrow minded.

[b15cu1t]

on a side not NINJA are saying their tanks are PI certified nothing more nothing less

[godraep]

So much buttrage.

[Stan6543]

sweet

[juggernaught_lives]

Originally Posted by iKNOW

To sell a PI tank with a NON-Pi reg in Europe is illegal. To sell a NON-Pi reg in europe that is intended to use for paintball tanks is illegal too. To sell a non-pi reg for some other special purpose is not illegal. You as the manufacturer of regs should know this and take responsibility. Not all shops and dealers know about these rules and they might trust you and get in lots of troubles. Congrats for selling illegal products to shops and teams in Europe for 2 years!

Cred for writing about your illegal activities openly on a forum!!! GOOD WORK NINJA KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ****ING TEAMS, SHOPS AND THE GOVERNMENT IN EUROPE. GOOD LUCK NEXT TIME THERE IS AN INSPECTION AND GOVERNMENT FINDS OUT AND YOU HAVE TO RECALL ALL OF YOUR TANKS.

Dude, Why are you mad at Rob or Ninja? If YOU know the regs are not PI certified then why buy them? It seems to me that you rather blame other people for your own ignorance than take responsibility. This is like you know smoking gives you cancer but you smoke any way and then blame the cigarette company for giving you cancer. Normally I would play "Devils Advocate" but after reading your post, I couldn't. The only people you should be mad and rage at should be yourself and the shop who sold you the equipment.

[naughty88]

got to love ninja. Company is for the players! plain and simple!

[disturbed989]

Originally Posted by iKNOW

I know what im talking about and ROB from Ninja does too. They are just too stingy to pay for the PI for the regs or the regs are not safe enough to pass it. All info is available online from EU official site. AND NO THEY CAN NOT GET TANK WITH NON PI-REG ATTACHED APPROVED. BUT NINJA DOES NOT MAKE TANKS, THEY BUY TANKS FROM ANOTHER COMPANY WHO GETS THE PI FOR THE TANK ONLY. THEN THEY PUT THEIR ILLEGAL REG THERE IN THEIR US WORKSHOP AND TRICKS THE EUROPEAN BUYERS WITH THE PI STAMP ON THE TANK.

Bsides, anyone who is too lazy to check up the real rules online probably can understand this logic: if there was no need for PI in Europe on regs for paintball, no company would go through all the hassel and pay alot of cash for making PI for the regs. Still there are lots of companies out there that offer the regs with PI stamp.

Here's a site that says you can use any reg on a pi certified tank. This was posted in September for players traveling to play the Millennium series.
http://cefpaintball.com/en/faq/trave...tank-in-europe


I have also found this. http://www.ukpsf.com/paintballlaw.php#2 No where in this article says anything about regulators having to be pi certified. It is difficult to find .eu websites in the states by just searching so If you have information that proves us wrong please share it. I even tried using google.co.uk and had a hard time even finding anything on pi certification. Also from the second site I posted it states this "Ensuring that cylinders are properly stamped as required by law is the responsibility of the cylinder owner"

[WildWayz]

Biscuits boss is the head of UKPSF (UK governing body for Paintball - United Kingdom Paintball Sports Federation). If Ninja regs were illegal in the UK, then they'd be banned from sale and use. But they aren't.
I've been using a Ninja reg for over a year at a lot of events, and not once has someone said "you can't use that!". In fact, there are hundreds of UK players using Ninja regs.
Ninja make the BEST regs on the market, in my opinion.

[iKNOW]

Originally Posted by juggernaught_lives

Dude, Why are you mad at Rob or Ninja? If YOU know the regs are not PI certified then why buy them? It seems to me that you rather blame other people for your own ignorance than take responsibility. This is like you know smoking gives you cancer but you smoke any way and then blame the cigarette company for giving you cancer. Normally I would play "Devils Advocate" but after reading your post, I couldn't. The only people you should be mad and rage at should be yourself and the shop who sold you the equipment.

Im not mad, just a bit dissapointed as in case of accident or government raid, it can bring down alot of brick and mortar stores and fields in Europe who are tricked by Ninja and other not so serious sellers of illegal regs in Europe. Why you think Rob stopped to post? Because he just like me have read the regulations and knows the truth. Why do I not post the link? Just use google. unfortunately the regulation documents are a bit too complicated to read with cross reference etc, so for the average baller, even with link, he would not know more unfortunately. Besides its not my job to show the regulations, its Ninjas job to prove their regs are allowed before placing them on the market in Europe. just I dont like to see when ballers get tricked by righouts lies, weather intentional or by not having the knowlegde.

besides why do you think ninja talks about getting some PI stamps for certain countries? Because in some countries maybe there have already been government raids on regs and shops and players know the true rules, while in other countries players and shop owners just dont know like Rob (in best case that is, lets hope he is not tricking everyone intentional). Rules are 100% the same for all EU and ECC countries in this field.

[JustinTA]

Here's the act to read for yourself. It clearly outlines that the pi certification applies to the cylinder, not the reg.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...20:0056:EN:PDF

[Rob @ Ninja PB]

Originally Posted by iKNOW

Im not mad, just a bit dissapointed as in case of accident or government raid, it can bring down alot of brick and mortar stores and fields in Europe who are tricked by Ninja and other not so serious sellers of illegal regs in Europe. Why you think Rob stopped to post?

To be honest, we haven't posted because we're not the type of company that gets into arguments with people online. We have much more important things to do, like dealing with our European customers

If you dont like it, dont buy it. Simple as that.

[kostis11]

First of all i believe that iknow have a point, or more. A serious company should be responsible enough not to sell regulators if the country's law forbid them. This isabout safety
Secondly can anyone tell me why countries like Greece, Albania and i think Scopia arent coloured and doesnt have the Ninja logo? these tanks wont be for sale there?

[disturbed989]

Originally Posted by iKNOW

Im not mad, just a bit dissapointed as in case of accident or government raid, it can bring down alot of brick and mortar stores and fields in Europe who are tricked by Ninja and other not so serious sellers of illegal regs in Europe. Why you think Rob stopped to post? Because he just like me have read the regulations and knows the truth. Why do I not post the link? Just use google. unfortunately the regulation documents are a bit too complicated to read with cross reference etc, so for the average baller, even with link, he would not know more unfortunately. Besides its not my job to show the regulations, its Ninjas job to prove their regs are allowed before placing them on the market in Europe. just I dont like to see when ballers get tricked by righouts lies, weather intentional or by not having the knowlegde.

besides why do you think ninja talks about getting some PI stamps for certain countries? Because in some countries maybe there have already been government raids on regs and shops and players know the true rules, while in other countries players and shop owners just dont know like Rob (in best case that is, lets hope he is not tricking everyone intentional). Rules are 100% the same for all EU and ECC countries in this field.

Nothing anybody has found has said that the regs need to be pi certified. I even tried searching for pi certified regs for a good hour and found nothing. As far as most of the people in this thread are concerned you are just spewing slanderous accusations with absolutely zero proof.

[iKNOW]

Originally Posted by JustinTA

Here's the act to read for yourself. It clearly outlines that the pi certification applies to the cylinder, not the reg.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...20:0056:EN:PDF

Really? Did you also read the relevant part for regulator valves of this directive:

article 3 point 3:

"and cylinder valves, shall be subject to a conformity assessment procedure at least a stringent as that undergone by the receptavle or tank to which they are fitted."

more also under article 3 point 4

ROB: maybe you should have read this a bit more carefull before going international...

[juggernaught_lives]

Originally Posted by iKNOW

Im not mad, just a bit dissapointed as in case of accident or government raid, it can bring down alot of brick and mortar stores and fields in Europe who are tricked by Ninja and other not so serious sellers of illegal regs in Europe. Why you think Rob stopped to post? Because he just like me have read the regulations and knows the truth. Why do I not post the link? Just use google. unfortunately the regulation documents are a bit too complicated to read with cross reference etc, so for the average baller, even with link, he would not know more unfortunately. Besides its not my job to show the regulations, its Ninjas job to prove their regs are allowed before placing them on the market in Europe. just I dont like to see when ballers get tricked by righouts lies, weather intentional or by not having the knowlegde.

besides why do you think ninja talks about getting some PI stamps for certain countries? Because in some countries maybe there have already been government raids on regs and shops and players know the true rules, while in other countries players and shop owners just dont know like Rob (in best case that is, lets hope he is not tricking everyone intentional). Rules are 100% the same for all EU and ECC countries in this field.

I just can't picture Ninja in the background laughing it up as he is saying "...an other ignorant euro shop selling my illegal regs hahahaha".
(and if any of you read this with a Japanese accent that is just wrong LOL)

Most ballers I know are from my era where many of them are college grads in various fields mine being Aerospace Engineering (non-graduated). we can read the docs posted here, but since they are complicated and you're so sure of yourself, then help us understand you. Post a link to the doc from a government source with the PI on Reg claim and point it out to us (Page, Paragraph, Line). If not you're just another ranting lunatic here on PBN.

Even guys from the UK are posting here saying that they are OK to use. That is unless Rob "brainwashed' the shop and the buyer. I also believe this is why we have CUSTOMS and unless I'm mistaking UK/European Countries have some of the toughest customs out there (followed closely by Canada). They would not allow them in with out the proper stamp.