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Old 01-17-2013, 12:30 PM #925
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They were both also males, often enjoyed eating food, took naps, and occasionally bathed.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:40 PM #926
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They were both also males, often enjoyed eating food, took naps, and occasionally bathed.
That applies to billions of people, but how many people disarm entire countries? A lot less I'm pretty sure.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:48 PM #927
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That applies to billions of people, but how many people disarm entire countries? A lot less I'm pretty sure.
Are we disarmed?
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:56 PM #928
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:59 PM #929
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That applies to billions of people, but how many people disarm entire countries? A lot less I'm pretty sure.
You insinuate that Obama's and Hitler's motives are the same. That is silly.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:09 PM #930
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Obama also wants to exterminate the Jews?! it's all starting to make sense. I never knew how deep it went. Is that why he was reading the post american world?
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:15 PM #931
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He is using the same tactics as hitler.

Promising a safer America. Using children to get people on his side. The whole sandy hook shooting is pretty shady. A lot of things don't add up.


5.) Police seen extracting a rifle from the trunk of the car that night under the cover of darkness. It was not a shotgun. They were seen clearing the weapon by racking the charging handle 3 times. That is done with a very unique motion on ar15's. Anyone with experience with there's rifles knows this.
Anyone with experience with AR pattern rifles would also know that the charging handle is on the rear of the gun, not the right side like it was on the gun found in the trunk. I don't know if its been confirmed anywhere but I'd bet a Saiga shotgun.

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Old 01-17-2013, 01:17 PM #932
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Yeah your right. I will try to find the video I watched. It looked like It may have been from a light pole further away. But yeah that looks like a saiga 12, ak variant, possibly a benelli?
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:21 PM #933
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Obama also wants to exterminate the Jews?! it's all starting to make sense. I never knew how deep it went. Is that why he was reading the post american world?
Your saying that, not anyone else. All we've referred to is the way he is going about gun control.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:29 PM #934
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edit- NVM, looks like a skeleton stock after looking closer. However, you can easily tell it is a shotgun shell he clears out of the chamber. And judging by the large magazine he takes off of it, it is probably a Saiga 12 like Drex said.

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Old 01-17-2013, 01:34 PM #935
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Looked like a tube-mag shotgun with solid stock. I doubt they'll ever release what was actually used.
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Just like they'll never release the surveillance footage of the recent shootings.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:59 PM #937
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Looked like a tube-mag shotgun with solid stock. I doubt they'll ever release what was actually used.

Look at the first 4 seconds of the video. It had a magazine and you can see the officer take it off and drop it at the 4 second mark.

Also, at the 14 second mark, I first thought it was a side saddle on the stock, then thought it was a skeleton stock. Now I have no idea, it looks odd though.

Edit- Skip to :50 in this video to see the magazine and 1:36 to see the stock.



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Old 01-17-2013, 02:32 PM #938
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So, what is everyone's thoughts on what TriggerSmart Technologies has introduced?

http://www.triggersmart.com/Pages/TriggerSmart.aspx

Basically, it's an RFID chip installed in the grip or handle of a gun that makes it so that gun is disabled when in areas like schools or churches. It also allows the gun to be disabled when not being used by the actual owner.

Obviously, it won't solve every problem. But if something such as this were mandatory or more wide-spread don't you believe it would lower the potentiality for dangerous actions with firearms?
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:38 PM #939
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Basically, it's an RFID chip installed in the grip or handle of a gun that makes it so that gun is disabled when in areas like schools or churches. It also allows the gun to be disabled when not being used by the actual owner.
I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to kill people at a school they would just take out the chip before doing so. Or they wouldn't use a gun that had this chip in the first place.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:38 PM #940
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So, what is everyone's thoughts on what TriggerSmart Technologies has introduced?

http://www.triggersmart.com/Pages/TriggerSmart.aspx

Basically, it's an RFID chip installed in the grip or handle of a gun that makes it so that gun is disabled when in areas like schools or churches. It also allows the gun to be disabled when not being used by the actual owner.

Obviously, it won't solve every problem. But if something such as this were mandatory or more wide-spread don't you believe it would lower the potentiality for dangerous actions with firearms?
I'm down for the recognition part, not so much the location based kill switch. That can get a bit hairy. Especially if you find yourself up against one of the many millions of firearms that have not been fitted with RF ID.

I say no.
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:49 PM #941
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So, what is everyone's thoughts on what TriggerSmart Technologies has introduced?

http://www.triggersmart.com/Pages/TriggerSmart.aspx

Basically, it's an RFID chip installed in the grip or handle of a gun that makes it so that gun is disabled when in areas like schools or churches. It also allows the gun to be disabled when not being used by the actual owner.

Obviously, it won't solve every problem. But if something such as this were mandatory or more wide-spread don't you believe it would lower the potentiality for dangerous actions with firearms?
They are expensive, easily circumvented, and next to impossible to retroactively install on 300 million guns already in circulation. It will solve no problems and can make using the gun in a hurry problematic. It would solve no problems aside from maybe preventing a police officer from having his pistol taken and used on him, though even then the benefits are dubious.
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I'm down for the recognition part, not so much the location based kill switch. That can get a bit hairy. Especially if you find yourself up against one of the many millions of firearms that have not been fitted with RF ID.

I say no.
I'm iffy on that bit as well. If a situation arose in a location where a gun would help, then... well... ****...

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They are expensive, easily circumvented, and next to impossible to retroactively install on 300 million guns already in circulation. It will solve no problems and can make using the gun in a hurry problematic. It would solve no problems aside from maybe preventing a police officer from having his pistol taken and used on him, though even then the benefits are dubious.
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I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to kill people at a school they would just take out the chip before doing so. Or they wouldn't use a gun that had this chip in the first place.
The idea is the introduction of the technology as a continued, mandatory service that needs to be used in weapons. Like I said, it wouldn't solve everything. People could get an illegal gun and cause issues. But in the case of Sandy Hook, a technology like this would have prevented use of the firearm.

Look at it this way:

900 people being killed is better than 1,200 people being killed.
900 people being killed is better than 910 people being killed. Anything that can save lives in certain situations should be looked at in order to help prevent murder.

I'm not saying it's the end-all, so please don't act sensationally when I bring this up. This tech could help prevent the theft of use of illegal firearms.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:04 PM #943
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But in the case of Sandy Hook, a technology like this would have prevented use of the firearm.
No it wouldn't have, because as I said, adam lanza could have just disabled the chip.
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So, what is everyone's thoughts on what TriggerSmart Technologies has introduced?

http://www.triggersmart.com/Pages/TriggerSmart.aspx

Basically, it's an RFID chip installed in the grip or handle of a gun that makes it so that gun is disabled when in areas like schools or churches. It also allows the gun to be disabled when not being used by the actual owner.

Obviously, it won't solve every problem. But if something such as this were mandatory or more wide-spread don't you believe it would lower the potentiality for dangerous actions with firearms?
How hard will it actually be to modify/remove that? Not very.
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I'm iffy on that bit as well. If a situation arose in a location where a gun would help, then... well... ****...





The idea is the introduction of the technology as a continued, mandatory service that needs to be used in weapons. Like I said, it wouldn't solve everything. People could get an illegal gun and cause issues. But in the case of Sandy Hook, a technology like this would have prevented use of the firearm.

Look at it this way:

900 people being killed is better than 1,200 people being killed.
900 people being killed is better than 910 people being killed. Anything that can save lives in certain situations should be looked at in order to help prevent murder.

I'm not saying it's the end-all, so please don't act sensationally when I bring this up. This tech could help prevent the theft of use of illegal firearms.
Most people are shot outside of schools and churches. You'd essentially have to set the chip to....everywhere.
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