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Old 10-07-2012, 03:50 PM #1
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V1 Clone Bolt >> Gold Bolt????

Hey I just got a new gold bolt direct from MacDev and I was getting wild inconsistency (100-350), bolt stick, and half the times the bolt didn't even have enough juice to get the balls out of the barrel.... I switched over to the V1 bolt and was shooting butter, 282-290... The HPR had to be turned way up to get the gold bolt to cycle, and the gold bolt has a noticeably tighter seal on the power tube.

I have a V1 clone with V1 bolt, 200+ cases through it... maybe the gun has to much wear to use a gold bolt? perhaps I got a bad bolt?

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Old 10-07-2012, 05:11 PM #2
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I've never heard of anything like this ever happening, but the fact that your marker has so much paint through it should have no bearing on the issue.

When you slide the bolt by hand over the powertube, does it feel abnormally tight? You said it's tighter, but I'm curious how tight. I know it's not the easiest thing to just explain, but you shouldn't have to use anything remotely close to what I would consider "force" when doing this. How about sliding it through the bolt keg? Tight there too or does that feel normal?

I suppose there's always the possibility that there was a machining error. If it feels crazy tight sliding it through the keg or over the powertube then something is definitely amiss.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:11 PM #3
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ya thats crazy should not need liek mark said force to push ...

some of my gold bolts are so smooth i can almost blow on the and they move

pull the bolt kit out and relube .. and let us know should be able 2 push it down with your index finger with little force applied
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:36 AM #4
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It deff. needs to be pushed, I can feel the power tube tip o-ring "dragging" inside compared to stock there is a lot more drag.. probably by a factor of 100 or more (yes it is that extreme). Sounds like there was a machining error I have only heard good things about this bolt.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:54 AM #5
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get in contact with shootinpoo or james if u can they will be more than happy 2 help u out
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:23 PM #6
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do you see any scratching or scraping inside or outside of the gold bolt? have you changed the o rings on the gold bolt? lube?
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:49 PM #7
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lube yes, change orings no
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take the rings off see if it slides over teh power tube or is still touch 2 push ... might need 2 downsize rings
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Here's probably the deal... the orings all being new are on the fat side of their tolerance, where your stock bolt orings are on the thin side not to mention the wear in the surface itself. As ShootNPoo said, replace the orings and I'd hand fit them. The main ones I'd focus on would be the powertube tip, spacer inner and the bolt keg inner. Check those one at a time and see if you can narrow it down to one that is particularly tight.
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Here's probably the deal... the orings all being new are on the fat side of their tolerance, where your stock bolt orings are on the thin side not to mention the wear in the surface itself. As ShootNPoo said, replace the orings and I'd hand fit them. The main ones I'd focus on would be the powertube tip, spacer inner and the bolt keg inner. Check those one at a time and see if you can narrow it down to one that is particularly tight.
OK. So I took the drive train a part and compared the stock bolt to the gold bolt through the following tests.

*Sliding the bolt through the bolt keg
*Sliding the Bolt through the inner spacer
*Sliding the bolt over the power tube

In all cases the stock bolt was smoother. going through the bolt keg produced significantly more friction on the gold bolt then stock, through the process of elimination I was able to determine it was the 016 oring on the bolt (bolt switch?) causing the problem. I tried a few different o-rings and the same problem happened every time. by visually inspecting the bolts side by side (and looking inside with a flashlight) the only noticeable difference I can find is that the gold bolt has a different anno and that the bolt switch oring seems to stick out of the grooves on the gold bolt vs. the stock it does not...

Any suggestions before I conclude that the gold bolt was nothing more then a frustrating waste of time and money?
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:59 AM #11
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Did you ever contact MD/reps. about this?
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OK. So I took the drive train a part and compared the stock bolt to the gold bolt through the following tests.

*Sliding the bolt through the bolt keg
*Sliding the Bolt through the inner spacer
*Sliding the bolt over the power tube

In all cases the stock bolt was smoother. going through the bolt keg produced significantly more friction on the gold bolt then stock, through the process of elimination I was able to determine it was the 016 oring on the bolt (bolt switch?) causing the problem. I tried a few different o-rings and the same problem happened every time. by visually inspecting the bolts side by side (and looking inside with a flashlight) the only noticeable difference I can find is that the gold bolt has a different anno and that the bolt switch oring seems to stick out of the grooves on the gold bolt vs. the stock it does not...

Any suggestions before I conclude that the gold bolt was nothing more then a frustrating waste of time and money?
Well, James doesn't really like this but adding a little metal polish to that oring and cycling the assembly BY HAND will break in that oring much faster. Once you feel it kind of loosen there should be black residue in there... clean it all VERY thoroughly (I remove the oring and wash it) and try again. Also, what lube are you running?
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I can attest for this working very well^^^. It makes your orings nearly perfect. But cleaning them is not joke make sure they are clean enough that would feel comfortable putting them in your mouth lol.
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the gold bolt isnt a waste of time or money and something just isnt right. all of us who own vx's and vx'd clones dont have this issue and our guns are super super smooth.

if i was you i would tear the gun down completely and clean / relube / inspect everything and see if it fixes it even though that might not be the case.

it is unfortunate you are experiencing this problem, but if i was you i'd send the gun in for a repair. the gold bolt is a great bolt for the clones. you could have possibly got one that just has terrible tolerances from the factory. maybe exchange it for another? try another gold bolt from a friend or locally at a store?

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I know this question was asked in the customer service thread, but I'd still like to know if the original worked in o-ring that was on your factory bolt was swapped over to the gold bolt and tried? If that is written somewhere in here then I apologize and just missed it.
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I know this question was asked in the customer service thread, but I'd still like to know if the original worked in o-ring that was on your factory bolt was swapped over to the gold bolt and tried? If that is written somewhere in here then I apologize and just missed it.
I will try this when I get home. Fresh o-rings never caused issues with the v1 bolt not sure why they would on the "upgraded" bolt.

Also the lube is militia lube. The same stuff that has worked great on the v1 bolt and drive train.
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Also I have posted in the customer service thread and looked at macdevs website but it looks like their USA site no longer offers phone support...
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Try shootnpoo or aggressivesports.net
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Yes, but can shootnpoo exchange or refund a part purchased directly from macdev?
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I switched the switch o-rings on the bolts (took the worn in oring on the V1 and put it on the gold bolt, but the switch oring from the gold bolt onto the V1) while it did help, the v1 bolt is still much easier to cycle by hand

The gold bolt has much tighter seal on the power tube then the V1 bolt, even after switching the power tube tip oring for a new one... again.
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I have one of these in my gt and the solenoid click is noticibly louder.
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