[licence2kill]

Originally Posted by barrel roll

Hahahaha, you're a kidder.

If infrastructure investment increases future RGDP then that gives us a larger base from which to draw revenue from, meaning we can get the same quality and amount of service from a smaller tax % of GDP.

[toolbandfan]

Not sure what you're saying 98pro, but if you're talking about the lights on a police car, for example, the technology change would cost more initially, and that runs off a car battery that is constantly recharging. That's not exactly a big issue.


And I have big doubts about the taxes going down because the rich stop with the tax write offs. This is the government you're talking about here.

[98Pro]

License to kill hit the nail on the head of what I was saying.

[barrel roll]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

If infrastructure investment increases future RGDP then that gives us a larger base from which to draw revenue from, meaning we can get the same quality and amount of service from a smaller tax % of GDP.

Could, sure. But ratchet.

[licence2kill]

I'd say its practically assured. That type of investment is self financing right now.

[*C-Ro*]

Wow , i just read through this thread .. I would smack the **** out of atleast 20 of you left-wing,Obama loving socialist tirds here. All of your well-worded, intelligent "sounding" replies make me want to throw up. Some of you sit here and criticize the OP and tell him to live in his means and stop *****ing about his taxes? Well screw all of you who say that ... He can do whatever he chooses with his money ... Half of u little twirps trying to sound like political analysts in here probably get an allowance from your momma, sit around smoking pot, watching crap like cnn and think you have it all figured out. NO ONE , and i repeat NO ONE should have to pay one more cent in taxes, no matter if they make 1 trillion dollars a year. The government is the reason we have this deficet... What we need to do is cut out foreign aid to these countries that burn our flag, and take our money to buy weapons to use against us. What we need to do is worry about the USA, or soon there will be nomore USA. We need to wake up and stop looking for handouts and whos gonna foot the bill for this careless and wreckless government and start pointing the finger at them, not the rich people. I work shutdowns in chemical plants and oil refineries, i have up to $1500 taken out of my check at times... Is that fair ? Hell no it isnt, not when 48% of my "fellow americans" dont pay taxes ... And just to clear the record from what YOUR president wants you to think, the "48%" is not just old people and "poor"... It also consists of a great number or lazy worthless able-bodied scum who suck the government teet ... But thats ok , its the evil rich people's fault and they need to pay .... Idiots ...

[licence2kill]

100% of Americans pay taxes.

You are not smart.

[TheHef]

Overtime gets taxed liked a mofo, it's bs. Someone has to fund this massively ineffective government we have. Especially with all the freeloaders!

[TheHef]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

100% of Americans pay taxes.

You are not smart.

Yeah but some don't work, have their living expenses taken care of by the government, and get larger tax returns than either of us.

[licence2kill]

Yeah, they're called "seniors"

[*C-Ro*]

Originally Posted by licence2kill

Yeah, they're called "seniors"

Ok... And if a persons only income is from government assistance ... They pay taxes with taxes ... So technically they aren't adding anything .. Only giving back a small portion of what they were given .. Or stole for many ... And of course a left-wing idiot is still going to ride the " seniors" train trying to make it seem like everyone one government assistance legitametly needs it ... I don't know what fairy tail world you live in, in Orange County , but i see welfare fraud every day .. And 95% of the examples i see are NOT seniors ... They are able bodied, lazy bastards.... Some even have good jobs and are still getting it because they lie, it is so easy to get government assistance it isnt even funny. A few celebrities, such as ODB have even done documentaries on them recieving welfare even though they are celebrities. Wake up buddy

[licence2kill]

So what programs are they abusing?

[*C-Ro*]

Foodstamps, assisted living ... Ive seen so many times where they set up apartments for " single mothers" and then when they move in, their " baby daddy" moves right in with them .... Which is against the rules ... And then neither of them work ... They live for free ... And ive seen firsthand people using foodstamps and their reason is " if they (the government) gonna give it away, ima take it" ... Openly acknowledging that they are stealing ... Here in the southern states this is a huge problem ... And i dont mean this to be racist , but truth is truth, its due to the large population of blacks and they are the majority that is reaponsible for the misuse ofthese programs . And im sure now someone is going to try and get around the facts as say " Omg ... Hes a racist .. Thats racist ... Blah blah blah" ... I say this becuase i see it everyday ...believe nothing of what you hear and all of what you see.

[*C-Ro*]

O and i forgot about SSI and Medicade .. Sorry

[*C-Ro*]

..... Yea ... Well many of them arent unemployed becuase they cant find a job .... Many have the mindset of " why work when the government will just give me everything" .. I came from a home of a single mother ... Thats not an excuse not to make a living ... My mom worked 2 jobs when i was coming up ... She never applied for assistance ... So dont sit here And try to tip toe around the fact that there are milions of people who abuse the system ... But of course you are a liberal .. So im not suprised that u avoid the real issues

[drgonzo]

Show your work. Talking point nonsense with no basis in reality.

[scienceguy]

Originally Posted by *C-Ro*

Foodstamps, assisted living ... Ive seen so many times where they set up apartments for " single mothers" and then when they move in, their " baby daddy" moves right in with them .... Which is against the rules ... And then neither of them work ... They live for free ... And ive seen firsthand people using foodstamps and their reason is " if they (the government) gonna give it away, ima take it" ... Openly acknowledging that they are stealing ... Here in the southern states this is a huge problem ... And i dont mean this to be racist , but truth is truth, its due to the large population of blacks and they are the majority that is reaponsible for the misuse ofthese programs . And im sure now someone is going to try and get around the facts as say " Omg ... Hes a racist .. Thats racist ... Blah blah blah" ... I say this becuase i see it everyday ...believe nothing of what you hear and all of what you see.

So ow do you propose we fix this fraud while still providing services to those that actually need them? Do you want to put more money in to the system to hire more social workers and ferret out the fraud?

You claim to see this fraud every day. Do you tag along on social worker visits?

[slateman]

Originally Posted by scienceguy

So ow do you propose we fix this fraud while still providing services to those that actually need them? Do you want to put more money in to the system to hire more social workers and ferret out the fraud?

You claim to see this fraud every day. Do you tag along on social worker visits?

First step: Term limits on congressmen/congresswomen

If you're not worried about re-election, you don't have to pander for votes

[scienceguy]

Originally Posted by slateman

First step: Term limits on congressmen/congresswomen

If you're not worried about re-election, you don't have to pander for votes

I would like to see that too, but republicans vote for these programs too. They like for them because they're disfunctional and it gives their base easy talking points. What would Rush complain about if welfare worked perfectly?

[wavesport001]

^ Exactly.

Same reason you'll never see Roe v. Wade overturned, Rebublicans would lose a huge hotbutton that gets them votes.

[slateman]

Originally Posted by scienceguy

I would like to see that too, but republicans vote for these programs too. They like for them because they're disfunctional and it gives their base easy talking points. What would Rush complain about if welfare worked perfectly?

Works both way. Still needs to be done.