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Old 12-08-2012, 11:40 PM #1
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Question CCM'd Autococker vs CCM (s66.5/T2/etc.)

I'm just curious, which do you guys prefer? While the modern look of some of the CCM's are mesmerizing, some older autococker bodies are just so unique and beautiful that it's insane . So, whaddo you guys think? And would it be hard to try and build my own pump? In other words, is there a lot of hard internal work that needs to be put together?
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:55 AM #2
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I would go with a CCM. If you were to build your own sniper and try to get the quality you get from a CCM it will probably be as much as a CCM.
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Old 12-09-2012, 01:34 AM #3
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No, there isn't much you need to -- or can -- do to an older sniper internally when you build it. Just get a valve tool.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:42 PM #4
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Buy the body u want and then have ccm do the work. They sell all internals,pump kit etc and they will install it and tech your gun for maximum efficiency and smooth pump stroke.

I built my first two snipers and they were ok. I didnt know that the stock autococker inters will work. But its much better if u get ccm lower internals because the springs are lighter and the valve and cupseal are much mire air efficient.

Overall if u send the gun to ccm and purchase the parts u want. They will install them for free and set your pump to play with optimum efficiency and a smooth pump stroke.

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Old 12-09-2012, 01:03 PM #5
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i went both ways.. i bought a ccm 6.5 brand new out of the box. then went and picked up a 2k5 super stock. and got the 86frame, auto trigger got it half blocked and installed the lower ccm tube internals.. and honestly after all said and done they shoot pretty much the same. with the cocker mod. you can pretty much tune and mod to what ever you want. you will need the cocker wrench and what not to take it fully apart. so save urself the hassle..

but yea in the long run i would just go CCM right off the bat
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:45 PM #6
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Build your own, learn how to set-up and tune the marker out the way you like it. Then contemplate a CCM, chances are you will have the marker you want and not have spent 700 dollars. Building your own is personal and a definate learning experience. Plus it will be your pump and like no one elses. There are lots of players that don't use CCM markers or components and have really nice pumps.
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Build your own, learn how to set-up and tune the marker out the way you like it. Then contemplate a CCM, chances are you will have the marker you want and not have spent 700 dollars. Building your own is personal and a definate learning experience. Plus it will be your pump and like no one elses. There are lots of players that don't use CCM markers or components and have really nice pumps.
I'd have to agree, although I've heard that a CCM gun has something about it where everything just flows naturally. Whereas, a built gun with CCM internals still shoots like a smooth gun, just not something CCM built.

It's all personal preference, just shoot what you want.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:30 PM #8
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Okay everyone thanks for the info. I think eventually I'm gonna try and build my own, but does anyone know of some really nice AC bodies (preferably mid/half block)? Atm I'm thinking 2k5 Black Magic. Any other suggestions?
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:22 PM #9
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I think the 2k5 Super Stock is a sick body, but that's just me.
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Old 12-09-2012, 10:19 PM #10
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I think the 2k5 Super Stock is a sick body, but that's just me.
A 2k5 prostock(undrilled/unmilled superstock) is better
I have a S6.5 and an Eclipse Cocker pump. I spent more money on the Eclipse cocker pump than the S6.5. Exactly the same smoothness.

Conclusion get a CCM. Save yourself the trouble.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:50 AM #11
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:06 AM #12
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After watching your in your face kinda play style I would definitely go with a 6.5 or J12... Shoot em all first, not everyone has that chance.. See what you like. You kinda lucked out on location. Im glad you got into pump paintball =)

Anytime you want to shoot a Greifers gun there area lot of different ones to choose from at Xtreme. Between all us greifers you can shoot and test almost every model made by CCM.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:40 AM #13
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After watching your in your face kinda play style I would definitely go with a 6.5 or J12... Shoot em all first, not everyone has that chance.. See what you like. You kinda lucked out on location. Im glad you got into pump paintball =)

Anytime you want to shoot a Greifers gun there area lot of different ones to choose from at Xtreme. Between all us greifers you can shoot and test almost every model made by CCM.
I'm glad too! and thanks for the offer so much man! I think I'll end up grabbing a J12 once the price drops a lil bit , or grap an s6.5 If I get impatient...
Thanks everyone for the input and help!!!
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:15 AM #14
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I've built some nice guns, but my go-to "beater" is an S6.
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:55 PM #15
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I like custom ccm'd guns because they have character.

not to say that S6/6.5/T2s don't.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:58 PM #16
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It comes down to choice. Would you rather buy a new Corvette or build a muscle car from the ground up? With the vette you know it will run great and be perfect the minute you get it. With the muscle car you can pick and choice each part. Experiment with different setups and have it slowly morp to exactly what you want. It may never have the same fit and finish as the new car but it will be exactly what you want because you picked out each part.

In the end, both will cost you about the same, the one you build may cost you more because you change your mind here and there. But it will not cost you as much up front because you can buy the parts as you go.

Just my 2 cents, hope it helps.
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For me, an experienced gun builder, I've found that simply cramming CCM (or other top-end) parts on a body is hit or miss. Some of the parts may have the same finish, but there's a good chance the fit (and therefore feel) won't be the same. It takes a picky person to notice some of these things, but there IS a difference, at least a majority of the time.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:55 AM #18
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I would go with a CCM. If you were to build your own sniper and try to get the quality you get from a CCM it will probably be as much as a CCM.
If you would want it done correctly it would. Some friends of mine (Bill the owner of CCM, Garret Maxwell/ G-Max, and Rod lead tech at CCM) at CCM built a 2k autococker for me. The only thing that is not CCM is the body.To put a clamping feedneck they had to press the stock neck out and press a CCM neck in, then they had to rebore the top tube to cut out excess feedneck, Wpg lower tubes id's were not exactly perfect through the lenght, so they had to rebore the lower tube to work glass smooth with the CCM lower assembly, to get the CCM Auto trigger grip frame to also work glass smooth they had to mill just a little for everything to work perfectly. they then installed all CCM Parts. Bolt, Cocking Rod, Backblock, Complete lower tube assembly, Auto trigger grip frame, Pump assembly, CCM Reg, and ASA

With the price of parts, the time to machine everything, the manhour time including the extra time Garret took to go back in and shave a 1000th of an inch off the hammer for me just to make it that much smoother there is over 1000 dollars tied up into it.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:18 PM #19
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there is so much you can do building your own. here are some ive owned just to show you what you can do

CCM'd Shocktech Tremor Series autococker pump(fresh anno done by the guys at FX anodizing)


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Old 12-15-2012, 11:50 AM #20
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I have a CCM pump and have built numerous other pump guns with CCM parts. I play with may CCM, but love the building process and have sunk a lot of money into guns that are as smooth as my CCM, but don't see the field as much.

I played with a pre2K pump for about 4 years before upgrading to a CCM and I really didn't couldn't see/feel the difference other than getting used to an 86 frame. I have built 15 or so snipers for fun and have given them away to friends. They shoot buttery smooth, and equal to my $600 gun, for a fraction of the price.

If you don't have that much cash, buy a complete cocker, and throw a pump kit on it until you have the money to buy your dream gun.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:22 AM #21
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I am the dumb*** who insists on doing everything myself. How can it be MY gun if someone else built it?

If I build a 1932 Ford hotrod in my garage, that's MY car. If I sell it, it's still my car. If I buy a hotrod built by Chip Foose, it won't really ever be mine.

I know I could never build it as nice as Mr Foose, but that's not as important to me as making it myself. I need the process.
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