[quakcer]

Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

This thread is not about medical conditions that you most likely have.

[TheSilentAssassin]

lol, the funny is back again.

[marcozombie]

Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

As a teacher of 'Aspies,' I resent you trying to paint this guy as one...


try this one instead ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anus

[Tafari Makonnen]

Blake is one of those sad stupid people that is unaware of how stupid he is, and actually believes his is more intelligent than others.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by quakcer

I didn't say it was, I gave an example that shows the difference between big and small government. Reading comprehension comes in handy, you may want to familiarize yourself with it.

The context of this thread is Left and Right philosophy, and lo and behold, so was ElJefe's post, which I quoted. I dont want to hear about how Democrats and Republicans utilize government. And I certainly do not need vague words like freedom, control and intervention being thrown around. Especially when freedom, in an absolute sense, is more of a Left thing.

I suggest you lurk for a few years until you are a little older and wiser.

[dub CRISP]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

Please explain to me the meaning of big and small government.

I think what he means is that on the right people prefer (in theory):
low taxes
minimal regulations
minimal government control of anything
basically the people are free to do what they want but they have to fend for them selves and there is no safety net.
private sector should control everything
laissez faire

and on the left people prefer:
higher taxes
more regulations
social safety net
public sector (government) can do some things better than the private sector and should. (market failures etc)

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by barrel roll

The American left doesn't want to admit that they are sisters with what passes for the American right. Overton's window has shifted things to much.

I'll agree with this. I would also like to know just how the hell matters of economics get thrown into categories of left and right. When did this happen? I mean, I understand how income equality and Marxism is easily appealing to the progressive left. Yet, redistribution of wealth dates as far back as hunter gather societies, so a sort of communal pool of funds (food in the case of H&G) may also be considered fairly traditional.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by dub CRISP

I think what he means is that on the right people prefer (in theory):
low taxes
minimal regulations
minimal government control of anything
basically the people are free to do what they want but they have to fend for them selves and there is no safety net.
private sector should control everything
laissez faire

and on the left people prefer:
higher taxes
more regulations
social safety net
public sector (government) can do some things better than the private sector and should. (market failures etc)

If a Right wing government wished to undertake ecological conservation, this would intrinsically require government intervention to some degree. I've never heard of a single right wing society ever believing that the individual may do as he wishes. Where is this idea coming from?

I'm not going to touch on your economic related stuff for reasons I stated above.

[benji25]

Originally Posted by dub CRISP

I think what he means is that on the right people prefer (in theory):
low taxes
minimal regulations
minimal government control of anything
basically the people are free to do what they want but they have to fend for them selves and there is no safety net.
private sector should control everything
laissez faire

and on the left people prefer:
higher taxes
more regulations
social safety net
public sector (government) can do some things better than the private sector and should. (market failures etc)

This is the way I envision it, give or take.

And I wouldn't say the right prefers lower taxes, more that they prefer lower spending which would mean lower taxes. It isn't like they are saying we want a ton of stuff AND lower taxes. But that is essentially what you get at with the minimal spending and laissez faire.

[dub CRISP]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

If a Right wing government wished to undertake ecological conservation, this would intrinsically require government intervention to some degree. I've never heard of a single right wing society ever believing that the individual may do as he wishes. Where is this idea coming from?

I'm not going to touch on your economic related stuff for reasons I stated above.

Let me clarify, when I say free I mean that the government doesn't tell you what you can and can't do, if you want to pollute, you can. If you want to own guns, you can. Obviously the laws still apply and it's not anarchy.

[dub CRISP]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

I'll agree with this. I would also like to know just how the hell matters of economics get thrown into categories of left and right. When did this happen? I mean, I understand how income equality and Marxism is easily appealing to the progressive left. Yet, redistribution of wealth dates as far back as hunter gather societies, so a sort of communal pool of funds (food in the case of H&G) may also be considered fairly traditional.

economics has it's left and right too.
extreme left is communism, extreme right is totally laissez faire capitalism

[TheSilentAssassin]

ITT: Differing notions of what left and right mean leads to differing conclusions. It's all semantics at this point.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by dub CRISP

Let me clarify, when I say free I mean that the government doesn't tell you what you can and can't do, if you want to pollute, you can. If you want to own guns, you can. Obviously the laws still apply and it's not anarchy.

That doesn't sound very right wing, given the fact that Tradition is a large part of Right Wing philosophy. Did you read the OP?

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by TheSilentAssassin

ITT: Differing notions of what left and right mean leads to differing conclusions. It's all semantics at this point.

It is only this way because the participants are not sufficiently informed. I tried to provide a framework in the original post so that we can work without the need to tread over vast amounts of history. I don't think anyone is reading it. Aside from the few who understand and remain silent and those who debated what I wrote.

[dub CRISP]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

That doesn't sound very right wing, given the fact that Tradition is a large part of Right Wing philosophy. Did you read the OP?

yeah and I'm feeling free to dispute. That's my interpretation of right wing. Are Authority, Hierarchy, Rank and Nationalism the only aspects of the right wing?

[TheSilentAssassin]

Originally Posted by Iamamartianchurch

It is only this way because the participants are not sufficiently informed. I tried to provide a framework in the original post so that we can work without the need to tread over vast amounts of history. I don't think anyone is reading it. Aside from the few who understand and remain silent and those who debated what I wrote.

That's the fate of this forum, unfortunately.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by dub CRISP

economics has it's left and right too.
extreme left is communism, extreme right is totally laissez faire capitalism

No it isn't. Wilhelm I and Bismarck each pursued socialist style economics in a wholly Right Wing or conservative government. Pre-dating Marx. As stated in the post you quoted, Hunter gatherer societies also practiced a form of socialism.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by dub CRISP

yeah and I'm feeling free to dispute. That's my interpretation of right wing. Are Authority, Hierarchy, Rank and Nationalism the only aspects of the right wing?

No, but they paint the most concise picture of the right wing. Especially as it differs from the left wing.

[dub CRISP]

Well looking at left and right on a two dimensional scale is inherently flawed because of what you just mentioned. Economic right and left don't really have anything to do with social or political right and left. You can be politically left and economically right or vice versa. They have also evolved over time. I was giving current examples of the views of people who identify as "right" and "left" rather than the traditional meanings.

You're trying to get at the original meanings of "right" and "left" no?

[barrel roll]

Originally Posted by dub CRISP

economics has it's left and right too.
extreme left is communism, extreme right is totally laissez faire capitalism

laissez faire capitalism is liberal. You've got to stick your head outside the window.

[dub CRISP]

wut?