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Old 11-16-2012, 06:13 PM #1
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So i found a few posts on this idea but their all archived so i could revive them to have my questions answered.

1. I know the timing rod is going to be really long......Do i need any specific one or will a basic timing rod work.

2. Do any other (cosmetic) changes have to be made to the marker besides changing the frame and adding a 3 way?

Im sorry if this has been brought up before but my google and pb-nation search have led me to dead end? Is there any good videos of mech karni's out there?
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:23 PM #2
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The standard timing rod will work. A Karni is no longer than a full body autococker.

There has been many reports of issues with mech and the ICS. You may need to find or drill the BB for a regular cocking rod.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:25 PM #3
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Like Dark said, the main issue is going to be if you can time it properly. If not, You will need to drill the BB and use a cocking rod.

Upside is the people who have done this say the marker shoots even better.

Downside is there isnt one.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:39 PM #4
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Like Dark said, the main issue is going to be if you can time it properly. If not, You will need to drill the BB and use a cocking rod.

Upside is the people who have done this say the marker shoots even better.

Downside is there isnt one.
thank you for all your help both of you.

What type of ICS might i need? Any recommendations?

It sounds like going with a cocking rod is the right choice........So i simply drill a whole in the back block and the cocking rod will thread right in?
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:51 PM #5
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Type of ICS?
You either use the Karni ICS or you use a normal cocker hammer and cocking rod..

What color is your karni?
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:13 PM #6
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youll have to use a normal hammer too. the ics uses its own cocking rod and hammer. other than the ics system its just like any other 2k spec cocker.

id do everything i can to avoid drilling through the back block, karnis just dont look right to me with anything else than the stock parts.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:50 PM #7
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Here is a link to one I had previously. This one is pumped, but you can see where it had the back block drilled for the cocking rod.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3870215
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:14 AM #8
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Here is a link to one I had previously. This one is pumped, but you can see where it had the back block drilled for the cocking rod.
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3870215
that's not a Karni w a drilled bb. it's a Black Magic w a Karni BB and ICS system.

this is a Karni w a drilled BB

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Old 11-18-2012, 12:58 PM #9
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I did one a while back for a buddy.

It was pretty easy - all stock parts. ICS was no trouble for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g61g4gQmyU
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:25 PM #10
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Does the ICS hammer have an adjustable lug?

If not, if the sear catches at all, you can tune the three way around the firing point.

Should be non issue.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:23 PM #11
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Yes it has an adjustable lug.. No way to install the hammer if you cant adjust the lug..

I dont know why the ics is an issue, but there are a lot of reports of it being a detriment to the mech. It is well documented.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:16 PM #12
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You can not convince me that it's the marker who's at fault. Just because a lot of people don't know how to time autocockers does not mean that autocockers cannot be timed.

If you can adjust the overall trigger placement and stroke, as well as the three way and lug, you can time it.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:24 PM #13
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You really arent getting it. It isnt a matter of if it can be done, it has been found more reliable with a normal cocking rod. I dont care if you are convinced. Try it. When the majority of mech karni use this method, there is a damn good reason.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:17 PM #14
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If you want to change people's opinions, you should provide more than hearsay.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:00 PM #15
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the problem with the ICS is the non adjustable cocking rod.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:10 PM #16
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If you want to change people's opinions, you should provide more than hearsay.
How is it hearsay when it has been proven more reliable time and time again...?
The ICS does not work well in a karni mech. Has it been done? Yes, is the standard cocking rod more effective and reliable? Yes.
It has been proven, it is not hearsay.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:03 AM #17
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Okay, I hate to necro this thread, but hey it's still on the first page.

I give up, why is the ICS less reliable in a mechanical setup? I just converted a Karni to a slider the other week and it was the easiest timing job I've ever done, and I've built and timed just about every mechanical cocker combination there is. And this gun even had a brand new blazing fast belsales ram with qev's, which is also supposed to make timing harder as well.

The only thing I changed on the ICS was to swap out the stock lug with a new one. The lug that was in there with the eblade setup was a bit flattened from use, so I wonder if that messes with people.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:33 AM #18
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Timing a mechanical marker requires getting the bolt to clear the breach in the right spot, you can not tune/change this with ICS. That is why it is "easier" to drill and swap to a normal mechanical hammer and cocking rod, you get all of your needed timing adjustments.
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