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Old 11-23-2012, 08:07 AM #148
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The 4 submarines officially declared to exist are said to carry up to 13 torpedo tube-launched missiles. The standard policy of American submarines is rumored to be a minimum of 6 conventional torpedoes, which means we can presume for the sake of conversation that there are approximately 7 missiles aboard each sub. That's 28 missiles, which could potentially have multiple warheads per unit. I think it's safe to say that Israel could wipe quite a few cities off the map in the event that the surrounding countries are dumb enough to launch a full scale invasion or assault. This is all predicated on the assumption that we or other Israeli allies have not covertly provided them with more advanced weapons and/or vessels capable of far greater destruction.

Given the trouble the middle east has given this country, it would not be beyond the realm of possibilities for us to have provided Israel with advanced short to medium range nuclear weapons of the sub-based variety. In the event that Israel is defeated on the mainland, they could do our dirty work from the sea and attack our enemies without us firing a shot. Either Israel is left standing as our one stable ally in the region, or they die and take our enemies with them. We win both ways.
No. No torpedo tube launched missile has multiple warheads. Just not big enough.
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No. No torpedo tube launched missile has multiple warheads. Just not big enough.
Correct, however vertical tubes are a whole other matter.
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No. No torpedo tube launched missile has multiple warheads. Just not big enough.
The Israeli subs have torpedo tubes that are 20% larger than the standard size tube of American subs. Combine that with a history of producing enhanced weapons domestically and the motive of expanding the firepower of a small fleet and it's possible to accomplish this, especially using a variant of the sub based Tomahawk.
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The goal of the Arabs should be to develop their civilian and military industries so advanced that Israel's nuclear weapons become irrelevant during the eventual and inevitable fall of the Israeli state. Would the Zionists be willing to risk the lives of half, if not more, of the worlds Jews to save a state that was destined to fail from the start?
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The Israeli subs have torpedo tubes that are 20% larger than the standard size tube of American subs. Combine that with a history of producing enhanced weapons domestically and the motive of expanding the firepower of a small fleet and it's possible to accomplish this, especially using a variant of the sub based Tomahawk.
1)We no longer use the Tomahawk nor does anyone else. You are talking about the Tomahawk II
2)The TH2 can only carry a single warhead, its flight systems are not designed to carry more that the weight of one.
3)Last I was around my buddies talking about this stuff (many years ago) the tactical warhead for the TH2 was only being put on carriers and large destroyers. The security and saftey systems are just too involved to have them on every ship, keep in mind on a sub,the warheads are in a constant state of lockdown, and not accessable unless you disembark them from the tubes for repair/maintance.

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The goal of the Arabs should be to develop their civilian and military industries so advanced that Israel's nuclear weapons become irrelevant during the eventual and inevitable fall of the Israeli state. Would the Zionists be willing to risk the lives of half, if not more, of the worlds Jews to save a state that was destined to fail from the start?
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Then you should cite examples rather than telling people to read a slanted reporter that does things like this.
http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.c...ne-and-sinker/
http://manara1ram.blog.com/2012/03/1...li-propaganda/
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/...s-leaders-rats
http://electronicintifada.net/conten...ored-bbc/11610
http://www.ciibroadcasting.com/2012/...anda-campaign/
http://www.paltelegraph.com/opinions...a-machine.html
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/...ganda-facebook
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/israe...estine-attack/
http://www.juancole.com/2012/04/top-...hristians.html
http://electronicintifada.net/conten...ropaganda/3983
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886072.html
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle33078.htm

Should I continue, or will you finally accept that this actually happens?
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I never said it didn't happen. Don't put words in people's mouth.
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Should I continue, or will you finally accept that this actually happens?
They key here is, WHO CARES. The palistinians are a bunch of animals, they have no humanity, no care, no love. They only know hate, and lies, how to strap bombs on kids and launch rockets into civlian targets.

I am no fan of Israel but, they are 1000% better than any islamic murder out there (*note* ALL of the islamic faith are murders and liers)
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The goal of the Arabs should be to develop their civilian and military industries so advanced that Israel's nuclear weapons become irrelevant during the eventual and inevitable fall of the Israeli state. Would the Zionists be willing to risk the lives of half, if not more, of the worlds Jews to save a state that was destined to fail from the start?
How do you make nuclear weapons irrelevant? We're like 50 years ahead of the arab world and we haven't even found a way to do it.

You call Israel a state that's "destined to fail from the start" but the fact is they're by far the most successful state in the region, and it isn't even close. Not even Turkey, who's a U.S. ally and NATO partner anyway, has an economy close to as dynamic as theirs.

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They key here is, WHO CARES. The palistinians are a bunch of animals, they have no humanity, no care, no love. They only know hate, and lies, how to strap bombs on kids and launch rockets into civlian targets.

I am no fan of Israel but, they are 1000% better than any islamic murder out there (*note* ALL of the islamic faith are murders and liers)
And would you look at this... You're susceptible to the very thing I'm attempting to point out. Way to continue winning at life.

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I never said it didn't happen. Don't put words in people's mouth.
You're strange. Why all the chatter asking for sources then?
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They key here is, WHO CARES. The palistinians are a bunch of animals, they have no humanity, no care, no love. They only know hate, and lies, how to strap bombs on kids and launch rockets into civlian targets.

I am no fan of Israel but, they are 1000% better than any islamic murder out there (*note* ALL of the islamic faith are murders and liers)
Don't overgeneralize. There are Muslims who strap bombs to kids and all that stuff, but there are many who are not. You do realize Islam is the number one growing religion in America? Are you saying they are all jihadist crazy heads? Same goes for Palestinians. There are lots of people in Palestine that are good, well-balanced non crazy people. However, the crazy ones are currently in power and the sane ones are too afraid of their government to fight back. Don't confuse the actions of a few for the entire population.
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You're strange. Why all the chatter asking for sources then?
Because I wanted to learn about what you were trying to say? It's hard to do that when somebody retreats to the "read this book" line and questionable sourcing. I had never read anything by Levy before and it started to raise eyebrows when I got examples of his terrible journalism, as I previously provided, then you go on this BS intellectual dishonestly rant. I should add that I don't think copy pasting Google search results is an effective means of sourcing as well, especially when you include websites like secretsofthefed.com . Formulating coherent arguments shouldn't be met with such hostility that you're accustomed to providing.
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(*note* ALL of the islamic faith are murders and liers)
Seriously, how is this not considered trolling or flaming? Does this forum not have rules?
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Because I wanted to learn about what you were trying to say?
Asking for sources isn't trying to learn about what I was trying to say. Asking for sources is being skeptical of what I'm saying (though, there's nothing wrong with that).

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It's hard to do that when somebody retreats to the "read this book" line and questionable sourcing. I had never read anything by Levy before and it started to raise eyebrows when I got examples of his terrible journalism, as I previously provided, then you go on this BS intellectual dishonestly rant.
It's not his journalism that I'm pointing out. I'm pointing out his encounters with Palestinians and his life growing up as an Israeli. Again, the source of his viewpoints are more appropriate to look in to rather than the output of his material. I've tried to tell you this, but you kept ignoring that and going for the sensationalism.

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I should add that I don't think copy pasting Google search results is an effective means of sourcing as well, especially when you include websites like secretsofthefed.com . Formulating coherent arguments shouldn't be met with such hostility that you're accustomed to providing.
I don't want to take the time to go through my browser history for the past weeks and/or months to show you what I've read. Instead, I wanted to show you how simple it was to find the sources you were begging for. Where there's a will, there's a way.
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Being skeptical with the intention of reading more is called learning. That is a stupid argument. I'm not going to take much from a journalist that blatantly says he hates these Jews and lies about reports any more than say a political article from Breitbart. I wouldn't reference anything from IDF blogs for the same reasons. Also, it must not be so simple when the links I have actually read through have nothing to do with this discussion, primarily the assertion that Israeli hospitals prioritize Israeli citizens over Palestinians.
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Being skeptical with the intention of reading more is called learning. That is a stupid argument. I'm not going to take much from a journalist that blatantly says he hates these Jews and lies about reports any more than say a political article from Breitbart. I wouldn't reference anything from IDF blogs for the same reasons. Also, it must not be so simple when the links I have actually read through have nothing to do with this discussion, primarily the assertion that Israeli hospitals prioritize Israeli citizens over Palestinians.
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Changing political, economic, and social conditions also affect the mobility of women. The newly erected separation wall and the 123 checkpoints in the West Bank and Gaza prevent free mobility of all Palestinians. Israeli checkpoints have prevented women from reaching hospitals and health care centers in time to give birth and also hinder free access to education and employment, especially in areas where secondary schools are scarce and where jobs require moving from one village or city to another.
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Women and girls were also sexually and psychologically harassed at checkpoints; forced to undress in order to pass through, she said. That situation had led some mothers to keep their daughters out of university so as not to be subjected to strip searches at checkpoints en route. The separation wall and its accompanying restrictions threatened the right to health, education, decent work and an adequate standard of living, particularly for expectant mothers, female students and workers.
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Don't overgeneralize. There are Muslims who strap bombs to kids and all that stuff, but there are many who are not. You do realize Islam is the number one growing religion in America? Are you saying they are all jihadist crazy heads? Same goes for Palestinians. There are lots of people in Palestine that are good, well-balanced non crazy people. However, the crazy ones are currently in power and the sane ones are too afraid of their government to fight back. Don't confuse the actions of a few for the entire population.
I have, in my many years of life, never met this mythical "sane, well balanced, islamic" you speak of. I have to go off who I meet and who I interact with, and so far every last one of them (this includes my now disowned uncle who "converted" btw) have been the same kind of crazy, kill anyone who is not of our faith, animals.

Just so we are clear, I have and hold the same view for christians, but at this point in time the big problem are islamic so they get the crosshairs.

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Seriously, how is this not considered trolling or flaming? Does this forum not have rules?
Perhaps because I am will within the rules. It is my view, my observation, and I believe and stand by my convictions. I know it just shocks people like you that anyone might disagree with you...but suprise some of have a mind of our own and don't folow the sheeple.
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And would you look at this... You're susceptible to the very thing I'm attempting to point out. Way to continue winning at life.
Unlike you Treghc, I go by what my personal interactions teach me, not what I read in a paper about someone else. In this case, I have made it abundantly clear my view comes from years of observation and interactions.

Its been my observation so far in life, that the only ones who are sane out there, are the science types, and even they need a kick to the *** to remind them science is not a religion.
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Unlike you Treghc, I go by what my personal interactions teach me, not what I read in a paper about someone else. In this case, I have made it abundantly clear my view comes from years of observation and interactions.

Its been my observation so far in life, that the only ones who are sane out there, are the science types, and even they need a kick to the *** to remind them science is not a religion.
That's a very skewed form of logic. What about the others reporting about their own observations and interactions? I've observed and interacted with plenty of people of the Muslim faith and they've all been quite nice. Are my observations and interactions not valid while yours are? Why?
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