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Old 11-18-2012, 09:04 PM #106
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Well Lurker he did just post he was planning to make a bolt not to long ago...I'm sure you didn't have pics of your bolt a week after you said you were making one (I could be wrong about this) and no disrespect intended Lurker I mean you gave us a Great Bolt! And you obviously know what your talking about, but I kinda feel like any info you throw out about the ATLas could be seen as you ripping on a competitor, not saying you mean it that way and like I said absolutely no disrespect to you...but no one asks McDonald's what they think about a Whopper...granted this is different but still...why don't we wait and let people like Jim who are neutral do all the talking once both bolts are on the market...NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE! Especially Lurker and ATL!!!
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:45 PM #107
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Can't wait now......I've got 2 shockers and one of them has the eigen bolt......could the next have the Atlas bolt?
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Well Lurker he did just post he was planning to make a bolt not to long ago...I'm sure you didn't have pics of your bolt a week after you said you were making one (I could be wrong about this) and no disrespect intended Lurker I mean you gave us a Great Bolt! And you obviously know what your talking about, but I kinda feel like any info you throw out about the ATLas could be seen as you ripping on a competitor, not saying you mean it that way and like I said absolutely no disrespect to you...but no one asks McDonald's what they think about a Whopper...granted this is different but still...why don't we wait and let people like Jim who are neutral do all the talking once both bolts are on the market...NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE! Especially Lurker and ATL!!!
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Well Lurker he did just post he was planning to make a bolt not to long ago...I'm sure you didn't have pics of your bolt a week after you said you were making one (I could be wrong about this) and no disrespect intended Lurker I mean you gave us a Great Bolt! And you obviously know what your talking about, but I kinda feel like any info you throw out about the ATLas could be seen as you ripping on a competitor, not saying you mean it that way and like I said absolutely no disrespect to you...but no one asks McDonald's what they think about a Whopper...granted this is different but still...why don't we wait and let people like Jim who are neutral do all the talking once both bolts are on the market...NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE! Especially Lurker and ATL!!!
Except he's already got the bolt made. It's not like he just threw out an idea a week ago, it was "I've got a bolt."
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:29 AM #110
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Yes absolutely true Andrew but I can understand where ATL is coming from deciding to wait alittle while in releasing pictures and a video so ALL the bugs are worked out so the picture is exactly what your getting, kinda how Lurker threw the o-rings in the pics of the Eigen...its a smart move on marketing...that way when you just get a eigen in your not like WTF are these orings for...you know?
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:57 AM #111
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i would not put up pics myself until i had a patent in hand. atl's playing it right
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Well Lurker he did just post he was planning to make a bolt not to long ago...I'm sure you didn't have pics of your bolt a week after you said you were making one (I could be wrong about this) and no disrespect intended Lurker I mean you gave us a Great Bolt! And you obviously know what your talking about, but I kinda feel like any info you throw out about the ATLas could be seen as you ripping on a competitor, not saying you mean it that way and like I said absolutely no disrespect to you...but no one asks McDonald's what they think about a Whopper...granted this is different but still...why don't we wait and let people like Jim who are neutral do all the talking once both bolts are on the market...NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE! Especially Lurker and ATL!!!
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If it still uses the HE ring, that generates minor rearward force - really, really optimized setups, even pre-spring mod, can be impressively efficient. (Ydna's Dark shocker with an HE delrin posted impressive numbers, and if he isn't a reliable source, who is?)

However, setting up the gun in that manner is very friction dependent. Increasing the shifting forces (the PE approach) tends to lead to a more reliable efficiency floor and a higher efficiency ceiling.

I'll reserve judgement until I see the bolt, but it seems odd to not post a picture of it.
Lurker's not ripping on the ATLas bolt. Everything he said is 100% true about the HE system - the older guys on here can attest to the "magic shockers" that would somehow get vastly better efficiency than everyone else's. However, due to the sensitivity of those gains to tolerances, clearance, friction, what have you, they were few and far between. We're just trying to guess how ATL is achieving such impressive numbers - possibly somehow taking advantage of the rearward bias provided by the HE ring. Just simple facts and an observation, and due to history it seems reasonable for Lurker to be weary of other people making use of the operational elements of his design, such as using air from the can to re-cock the bolt or the QEV ports to quickly vent air from behind the sail.

But on second thought ATL did say he used a non-HE can so yeah... guess he couldn't be getting his efficiency gains there.
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Given the fact he said he's using the spring and worked on the flow of the bolt, I see his numbers as more than possible. I ran at around 125 psi (at times) to shoot 300 fps and got 1800 plus shots out of a 68 tank with my original sprung ndz setup. Like Lurker mentioned YDNA and others were getting similar effeciency numbers with the HE setup.

My only concern is that when you go that low on the OP things have to work absolutely perfectly or you get nothing but headaches. You can of course up the OP, but typically that will lead to a substantial decrease in efficiency if your setup is designed to work at lower pressure. So my advice to ATL would be to slap some tight o-rings on there and work the bolt under none optimal circumstances. That will give you an idea of the range the bolt is capable of and could head off problems with the not so capable users who could buy the bolt. Good luck to you either way. I'd love to test the bolt, but I've been too busy to play over the last 15 or so months and my loyalty is heavily tied to another bolt .
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:26 PM #114
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Temp was cold and windy.
Chrono was avg 288 fps,chrono averaged it.

Testing was a success.

Tank would only fill to 4k,so on a 68/4500 tank.
Shot a full 240 round prophecy v2 and 9 full dye lock lids with no shoot down.The chrono speed was spot on through the entire test.

Shot the first 4 pods,chrono'd,then every other pod was checked.
I know it could have shot a half to another full pod but I was out of paint,also had my kids with me to play paintball today and did not want to let them run a muck,lol


Well over 1600 shots on a 4k fill with a 68 bottle.
Stock bolt guide,not modded,rhino spring,un modded delrin sleeve,ATLas bolt and a non H/E can.

I am 300% this is the ready to ship product.

Every bolt will be tested prior to ship.I have 9 shockers to do this,so you will not have a issue when you get your bolt.

You will also get all moving oring and rhino spring with your new bolt.

Video will bee loaded tonight or tomorrow.I did not have a camera to do this with,so I am at the mercy of the help who did the video.

I can assure you this will be a drop in and shoot,low pressure bolt that will gain over 70% in efficiency gains over the H/E bolt.

ZERO,ZERO, nada, Not one broken ball on 3 cases of paint shot today,I have yet to break a ball since this bolt went into the gun.

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I understand the whole wanting to make sure everything's good to go and set up for market, but I just wanna see what this thing looks like.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:18 PM #117
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It looks like a shocker bolt.
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I talked to ATL and I now understand why he hasn't released any pictures, but he's working on getting the video up but him and the guy that took the video have both become ill so hopefully they get better soon and can get that video posted!!!
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Soooo, why hasn't a pic been released?
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Soooo, why hasn't a pic been released?
Why does it matter so much? It's not like you've paid him money for this bolt already.
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I'm not at will to say, he told me a lot of stuff in good faith and I don't wanna leak any info he doesn't want leaked but there is a good reason, also I'm sure when he gets to feeling better he will be back on here to explain everything
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I'm not at will to say, he told me a lot of stuff in good faith and I don't wanna leak any info he doesn't want leaked but there is a good reason, also I'm sure when he gets to feeling better he will be back on here to explain everything
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Why does it matter so much? It's not like you've paid him money for this bolt already.
So im not allowed to ask questions or show interest? Dude said he knew what was up and i tried to get it out of him, i wasn't crying about it.
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Lets not ruin this thread for ATL...or us atliens will test the bolt out on ur face.
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